Russian invasion of Ukraine

There perhaps may come a stage when Putin doesn't even see the distinction between Ukraine physically fighting alone, and Nato countries supplying the weapons and enforcing sanctions?

A rat is never more dangerous than when it feels cornered?

It wasn't the case in Afghanistan when Russia were there and the CIA were shipping stuff in, but this is on a whole different level.
Fuck him.
 
Ukraine is not the west's to give
Totally accept and acknowledge that @mossideble, but could we not act as an enabler to help facilitate a peaceful settlement? It's better than trying to enforce an Air Exclusion Zone or leaving the Ukranians to fight and suffer alone?
 
RT in propaganda overdrive.

Just had some old russian ex-military guy on saying the Freedom Square blast yesterday, looks likely from 152mm artillery shell, so likely came from the Ukrainians (as the Russians have no units in the area)

Unbelievable! You can literally see the missile just before it lands
 
People keep talking about a way out for Putin, but imagine if he keeps going for a minute.

Imagine an occupation like Afghanistan.

Instead of 40 year old soviet weapons the enemy is armed with the best modern technology in the world.

Then imagine there’s a real army of 400,000 to defeat first not an untrained rabble.

Then imagine instead of 1% of the population being against you, it’s more like 80%.

Then imagine that As long as it goes on, your economy is in the worst depression in history and inflation is reaching Zimbabwe levels.

Then imagine how low morale is back home now that you’re kicked out of all international sport, films aren’t released, there’s no gigs because bands don’t tour - not that you could afford it anyway.

People can’t buy a new phone or computer or to unless it’s Chinese. They can’t get parts for your cars. They can’t get flights anywhere.

Tens of thousands of mothers just lose contact with their sons and never hear from them again, never get to bury them or properly mourn.

Every political ally you have just lost 80% of their money and every day a coup is more likely.

This is Vietnam and the Great Depression and North Korea pariah status all in one.

Imagine knowing that you’ll go down as the worst president in the country’s history.

The off ramp is avoiding that. Come up with whatever lie and excuse you need to bring your “Special Military Exercise” to an end.
You’re now trying to convince a bunch of middle aged blokes in here whose arses have gone. Good luck.
 
Wonder what impact covid will have on the whole situation, will have civilians already in weak health and hungry getting sick with no hospital to go to.

The armies on both sides will have men get really ill or die. Putin is sending them in with not enough fuel or food so I doubt he went to the trouble of making sure they were all triple vaccinated too.
 

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