Russian invasion of Ukraine

Kippaxpete said:
Thought this might be of interest. NewsGuard is an independent US-based organisation which monitors the trustworthiness of news and information websites.
These are their top 10 Russia-Ukraine "war myths" followed by NewsGuard’s refutation:
  1. “Russian-speaking residents in the Donbas region of Ukraine have been subjected to genocide.” The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe has found no evidence of this.
  2. “Polish-speaking saboteurs attempted to bomb a chlorine plant in Donbas.” The video of the “attack”, for which there is no evidence, was recorded days before it is alleged to have taken place.
  3. “Ukrainian forces bombed a kindergarten in Luhansk, eastern Ukraine, on 17 February 2022.” The shelling came from Russian-separatist frontlines.
  4. “Russia did not target civilian infrastructure in Ukraine at the start of invasion.” One day after the invasion, Amnesty International documented at least three Russian military attacks on civilian areas in Ukraine.
  5. “Nazism is rampant in Ukrainian politics and society, supported by authorities in Kyiv.” The candidate for the far-right nationalist party, Svoboda, won 1.6% of the vote in the 2019 presidential election.
  6. “The west staged a coup to overthrow the pro-Russia Ukrainian government in 2014.” There is no evidence supporting the theory that the 2014 Maidan revolution in Ukraine was a coup orchestrated by western countries.
  7. “The US has a network of bioweapons labs in eastern Europe.” The claims are based on a misrepresentation of the US Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program.
  8. “Nato has a military base in Odesa, southern Ukraine.” Foreign military bases are not permitted in Ukraine.
  9. “Crimea joined Russia legally.” The UN Assembly declared a 2014 referendum that backed Crimea joining Russia was illegitimate.
  10. “Modern Ukraine was entirely created by communist Russia.” Russia and Ukraine’s shared heritage dates back more than 1,000 years.
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You missed out the one that Ukraine was going to house nuclear missiles - despite giving them up for security guarantees from Russia. In short Russia is a lying sack of shit and if Putin told me my name, I’d check my driving license.

Elsewhere the Russians are currently broadcasting TV propaganda to schools about the war and how the only people who aren’t lying are the Russians. They really are desperate.
 
Ribble73 said:
All this started me saying what your average Grunt/Ivan is going to think at the Border -and believe me it will be fuck anybody who’s legging it out of here -and I don’t blame them,
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Yes I know. They should fight the real enemy not create imaginary deserters, hopefully real soldiers on the ground have more minerals than Ivan.
 
Away from the actual conflict, i think this is the flash point for a new separated geopolitical landscape that will rival the Cold War. Russia began to 'de-dollarize' about ten years ago (reduce it's reliance on the dollar as a global reserve) which is entirely their choice, but it means there must be other willing partners to make this sustainable. China is the obvious and it seems India may or may not go along with it? SA and Brazil are interesting. So, will we slip towards a global system in which the dollar truly has an economic rival?
 
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