You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Thread starter feedmpenzaandhewillscore
- Start date
That's a good point but they are both used to kill people, that's there sole purpose.Because one is offensive and the other is defensive
mosssideblue
Well-Known Member
And risk aversionYou’re right, it’s a bit more nuanced than that, but there will have been endless war games played out and handing over fighter jets will be viewed as being much more likely to escalate matters.
It’s just maths.
Can both be used as both,can't they?Because one is offensive and the other is defensive
Eventually both sides will have to sit down and come to some sort of agreement.
I can’t see either side ‘winning’.
Russia will struggle to occupy Ukraine and the Ukraine army will struggle to defeat Russia.
While all this is going on normal people from both sides are suffering.
That is the sad reality. For Ukraine, it is a case of how much will it suffer. How extensive and lasting will the damage be for the country and the people, before Russia get mostly what they set out to get.
It is admirable, the bravado on here and that 'they can win it, good on them' plucky attitude, but it is misplaced. There is no real win, damage limitation and possibly looking for a less bleak future.
Crimea is gone, has been since 2014. The two border regions, probably beyond saving now, the influence there will yake decades to shift back. NATO membership, most likely untenable even with the best will in the world.
The rest of it, Putin woild have known he could never truly take or keep. It was never his to win, never his to give up either.
Tuearts right boot
Well-Known Member
Cant they just paint russian inignia and change the call signs on the planes on the planes and deny all knowledge, simples. The Yanks did something similar in Vietnam. Honestly, I should have been born a generalYou’re right, it’s a bit more nuanced than that, but there will have been endless war games played out and handing over fighter jets will be viewed as being much more likely to escalate matters.
It’s just maths.
They want to defend their own airspaceBecause one is offensive and the other is defensive
mosssideblue
Well-Known Member
That Russian Foreign Ministry woman needs a bullet between the eyes
What happens round our way on a cold winters morning is, to clear the ice of the windows people start the car and leave the engine running. They then go inside. Unfortunately while they are reading bluemoon some scally comes along and nicks it.Cant they just paint russian inignia and change the call signs on the planes on the planes and deny all knowledge, simples. The Yanks did something similar in Vietnam. Honestly, I should have been born a general
OK the Poles might not be reading bm but.......
Just sayin'
Gabriel
Well-Known Member
The immediate future for Ukraine looks bleak, granted, but the medium to long-term future for Russia looks horribly bleak. Even after Putin leaves, the damage this has done will set Russia back decades.That is the sad reality. For Ukraine, it is a case of how much will it suffer. How extensive and lasting will the damage be for the country and the people, before Russia get mostly what they set out to get.
It is admirable, the bravado on here and that 'they can win it, good on them' plucky attitude, but it is misplaced. There is no real win, damage limitation and possibly looking for a less bleak future.
Crimea is gone, has been since 2014. The two border regions, probably beyond saving now, the influence there will yake decades to shift back. NATO membership, most likely untenable even with the best will in the world.
The rest of it, Putin woild have known he could never truly take or keep. It was never his to win, never his to give up either.