Russian invasion of Ukraine

aguero93:20 said:
War is all about logistics mate, supply chains move slowly.
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i'm unsure why you're trying to imply something, I'm unsure what, but clearly you are.
What supply chains have to do with me wanting accurate maps of progress/movement/attacks, I don't know.

Regarding logistics, Ukraine has the current advantage of:
a) Attacking from it's own friendly territory with it's established logistics and supply chains
b) Recapturing it's own friendly territory, and being welcomed with beds/food/info and extension of supply chains.
c) Capturing russian supplies abandoned - food, ammo, fuel, let alone abandoned military equipment.
d) Modern tactics, modern logistical supply, modern combined forces assaults/command structure/logistics. cf unreliant dogmatic russian train supply doctrine and lack of allowed initiative.
 
JASR said:
i'm unsure why you're trying to imply something, I'm unsure what, but clearly you are.
What supply chains have to do with me wanting accurate maps of progress/movement/attacks, I don't know.

Regarding logistics, Ukraine has the current advantage of:
a) Attacking from it's own friendly territory with it's established logistics and supply chains
b) Recapturing it's own friendly territory, and being welcomed with beds/food/info and extension of supply chains.
c) Capturing russian supplies abandoned - food, ammo, fuel, let alone abandoned military equipment.
d) Modern tactics, modern logistical supply, modern combined forces assaults/command structure/logistics. cf unreliant dogmatic russian train supply doctrine and lack of allowed initiative.
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Maybe Ukraine son’t want accurate maps out there it isn’t a spectator event.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
When Russia were making gains across the Donbas etc the Beeb’s reporters said that might change when the Ukrainians got hold of HIMARS tbf. I’m no fan of the BBC but at least some of their journos have risked their lives covering the news from the Ukraine.

Yes it’s annoying when we get 24 hour coverage on the Royal Family and a few French locals taking the dippers seats at the Champs League, at the expense of all other news.
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What are HIMARS
 
Russian military blogger Boris Rozhin reports that Volchansk has been abandoned by russian forces, as well as a number of nearby settlements. The front is now passing on the border of Ukraine with the Belgorod region.

Slava Ukraini.
 
JASR said:
i'm unsure why you're trying to imply something, I'm unsure what, but clearly you are.
What supply chains have to do with me wanting accurate maps of progress/movement/attacks, I don't know.

Regarding logistics, Ukraine has the current advantage of:
a) Attacking from it's own friendly territory with it's established logistics and supply chains
b) Recapturing it's own friendly territory, and being welcomed with beds/food/info and extension of supply chains.
c) Capturing russian supplies abandoned - food, ammo, fuel, let alone abandoned military equipment.
d) Modern tactics, modern logistical supply, modern combined forces assaults/command structure/logistics. cf unreliant dogmatic russian train supply doctrine and lack of allowed initiative.
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I'm saying as much as Ukraine are on top there's limits to how quickly they can move.
 
blueparrot said:
Maybe Ukraine son’t want accurate maps out there it isn’t a spectator event.
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yes, but I'm just talking about the 'dumbed down' maps on the BBC, which show diddly/wrongly.

Eg BBC map today at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62867560
Far better than previous maps, but still pretty useless.

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a) Now removed Ukrainian advances/retaken territory - which would at least indicate what was the furthest advance of russians (bad)
b) Now removed the 'wrong' arrows about russian movement/attacks and Ukrainian attacks (good)
c) still has Russian "advances", when they clearly aren't advancing - especially in the Kharkiv oblast (bad)
d) No indication of when the 'advances' were, or what is/was the difference between 'advances' and 'military control', or when 'military control' was achieved - some of the donbas has been militarily controlled since 2014. (bad)
 
JASR said:
yes, but I'm just talking about the 'dumbed down' maps on the BBC, which show diddly/wrongly.

Eg BBC map today at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62867560
Far better than previous maps, but still pretty useless.

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a) Now removed Ukrainian advances/retaken territory - which would at least indicate what was the furthest advance of russians (bad)
b) Now removed the 'wrong' arrows about russian movement/attacks and Ukrainian attacks (good)
c) still has Russian "advances", when they clearly aren't advancing - especially in the Kharkiv oblast (bad)
d) No indication of when the 'advances' were, or what is/was the difference between 'advances' and 'military control', or when 'military control' was achieved - some of the donbas has been militarily controlled since 2014. (bad)
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Do any other major news sites have more detailed maps then ? Or is it just BBC that aren’t showing details you want ? As far as I can see the maps on Sky and the BBC look pretty similar.
 
JASR said:
yes, but I'm just talking about the 'dumbed down' maps on the BBC, which show diddly/wrongly.

Eg BBC map today at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62867560
Far better than previous maps, but still pretty useless.

View attachment 55491

a) Now removed Ukrainian advances/retaken territory - which would at least indicate what was the furthest advance of russians (bad)
b) Now removed the 'wrong' arrows about russian movement/attacks and Ukrainian attacks (good)
c) still has Russian "advances", when they clearly aren't advancing - especially in the Kharkiv oblast (bad)
d) No indication of when the 'advances' were, or what is/was the difference between 'advances' and 'military control', or when 'military control' was achieved - some of the donbas has been militarily controlled since 2014. (bad)
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Is the Ukrainian plan to take Donetsk and Mariupol areas and split the Russians onto 2 groups?
 
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