Safe Standing permitted at all PL / Championship stadiums - now Wembley (P22)

ell said:
I get what youre saying but dont think it would be any different to how things are now with the whole away end standing. Can imagine having 1k seated would cause kick offs all over as most would still stand.
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Maybe it would allow them to organise it better for people with less mobility and offer the first few rows to them
 
jrb said:
It used to drive me f*cking made watching and listening on TV to the clueless (women) ministers, politicians, and the Police arguing safe standing wasn’t safe and it shouldn’t be introduced. Because of them it took decades and numerous safety reports reporting on the same issues before those in power finally allowed safe standing to be brought back to a limit number of grounds. They’ve treated every football fan who wants to stand like a football hooligan, incapable of behaving on the terraces. C*nts, the lot of them!
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exactly, not a clue and not in touch with people the ones that have been making this decision.

"latest news" yet it should have happened 20 years ago, we stood up in seated areas for over 10 years, trial areas have been in for a while now.

all i can say is thank Fk we are actually standing correctly rather than stood in seated areas. It has been a farce from the word go.

Will it improve atmosphere ? Not much as the culture has changed that much since we had terraces that we wont go back.

rant over
 
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:
That's a bit harsh on Taylor.
In his report, Taylor stated that standing was not "intrinsically unsafe" but that seating was safer.
It was thatcher and her chums who stated that having reviewed the report, stadiums would have to lose the terraces.
Football fans were public enemy number one and having been dealt a blow when fans successfully campaigned against her proposed plans to bring in ID cards for fans, thatcher seized on the opportunity to get rid of the terracing.
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...and the long term plan was probably to attract more middle class families instead of the usual working class lad. Unfortunately, it half worked.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
That's a bit harsh on Taylor.
In his report, Taylor stated that standing was not "intrinsically unsafe" but that seating was safer.
It was thatcher and her chums who stated that having reviewed the report, stadiums would have to lose the terraces.
Football fans were public enemy number one and having been dealt a blow when fans successfully campaigned against her proposed plans to bring in ID cards for fans, thatcher seized on the opportunity to get rid of the terracing.
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It was the Taylor (a rugby man who had no knowledge of the round ball game) Report that recommended that all major grounds should be all seater, and it was his report that empowered the Thatcher government to (would you believe) eliminate choice from those of us who preferred to stand.
It did acknowledge that standing was not as safe as seating, but two wheels are far less safe than four as everyone knows and has any government ever proposed banning bikes? Given a situation where a set of circumstances went tragically wrong as they did at Hillsborough where literally everything seemingly went wrong, a similar disaster could happen in any place which attracts large crowds, such as a shopping mall, railway station or a busy airport for instance.
Some good things did emerge from the report and the need for reform was necessary, but the imposition of anodyne all seater stadia has had a negative effect on the special atmosphere at football grounds. Of course nobody wants a return to the appalling levels of hooliganism we suffered in the past but as we know, banning the terraces has not eliminated it from the game. I seem to recall that over many years most of the trouble at Maine Road took place in the Platt Lane and North Stands and we've waited a long time for a welcome return to the freedom of choice.
 
Number Six said:
It was the Taylor (a rugby man who had no knowledge of the round ball game) Report that recommended that all major grounds should be all seater, and it was his report that empowered the Thatcher government to (would you believe) eliminate choice from those of us who preferred to stand.
It did acknowledge that standing was not as safe as seating, but two wheels are far less safe than four as everyone knows and has any government ever proposed banning bikes? Given a situation where a set of circumstances went tragically wrong as they did at Hillsborough where literally everything seemingly went wrong, a similar disaster could happen in any place which attracts large crowds, such as a shopping mall, railway station or a busy airport for instance.
Some good things did emerge from the report and the need for reform was necessary, but the imposition of anodyne all seater stadia has had a negative effect on the special atmosphere at football grounds. Of course nobody wants a return to the appalling levels of hooliganism we suffered in the past but as we know, banning the terraces has not eliminated it from the game. I seem to recall that over many years most of the trouble at Maine Road took place in the Platt Lane and North Stands and we've waited a long time for a welcome return to the freedom of choice.
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Yes you are correct that Taylor did recommend seating. In fact he recommended seating in all sports stadiums yet the government only applied it to football grounds - initially the top 4 tiers but then changed it to the top two tiers.
 
StrutterBlue said:
That's going to be problematic for people who can't stand for that long, should have probably gone with 2000 standing 1000 seated. I get that the rail seats have a seat so you can sit down but that's not going to do much good for someone stood in front of you
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If its official safe standing (as opposed to a trial like what we did last season) don't they bolt the seats in the 'up' position against the rail behind (apart from when it's European games)? So you can't sit down at all.
 
blue_jess said:
If its official safe standing (as opposed to a trial like what we did last season) don't they bolt the seats in the 'up' position against the rail behind (apart from when it's European games)? So you can't sit down at all.
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The ones at dortmund are like that but not in the PL, our ones are normal seats with just a support rail
EDIT: just re read what you said about trial vs permanent. I would have thought the ones we have now would be permanent. Can't say I know for sure but I'm 90% sure they wont rip the current ones out for bolt ups. Think they'd only do that if they introduce the 2:1 safe standing

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