That is why we have an asylum process and for the Home Secretary to say they will be rejected before hearing them is out of order
Although I would like to agree with you re leaving the wife and kids. Let's say you have only one child. That is 3 places to pay for, 3 mouths to feed on a cross continent journey, with little/no money, no access to health care and no access to sympathy given some of the responses on this thread. It is a very dangerous trip, I'm not sure I would want to risk my partner and 2 years' life in a little boat. But hopefully I will never be in that position to make that sort of decision
Anyway, for get all that - regardless of who they are and where they come from, it is a couple of hundred. They are not invading us they are either a) looking for asylum or b) looking for work - hardly bad things, are they?
No, they're not bad things, but that's not the issue, plus nobody on here, to my knowledge, can be described as hard hearted simply for wanting border controls. Plus, this idea of having 'No money' is simply untrue, many of these people are paying around £5000 to traffickers, only a very small number of British citizens can access that kind of money, as I said, Iranians breaking into this country are economic migrants, and should be removed.That is why we have an asylum process and for the Home Secretary to say they will be rejected before hearing them is out of order
Although I would like to agree with you re leaving the wife and kids. Let's say you have only one child. That is 3 places to pay for, 3 mouths to feed on a cross continent journey, with little/no money, no access to health care and no access to sympathy given some of the responses on this thread. It is a very dangerous trip, I'm not sure I would want to risk my partner and 2 years' life in a little boat. But hopefully I will never be in that position to make that sort of decision
Anyway, for get all that - regardless of who they are and where they come from, it is a couple of hundred. They are not invading us they are either a) looking for asylum or b) looking for work - hardly bad things, are they?
No, they're not bad things, but that's not the issue, plus nobody on here, to my knowledge, can be described as hard hearted simply for wanting border controls. Plus, this idea of having 'No money' is simply untrue, many of these people are paying around £5000 to traffickers, only a very small number of British citizens can access that kind of money, as I said, Iranians breaking into this country are economic migrants, and should be removed.
It isn't a couple of hundred because you only know of those who were caught. It is estimated that around 2,000 entered illegally last year and over 2,000 the year before.
By allowing it you encourage it and eventually people will die doing the crossing as we have seen in Europe.
Brexit Gammon in "Don't like foreigners" shocker.
There at 65 million people in this country - like I have said, the coverage is disproportionate and making easy scapegoats for politicians
Brexit Gammon in "Don't like foreigners" shocker.
The affirmation that foot stamping, dummy spitting virtue signallers are full of bile when denied their own way.Brexit Gammon in "Don't like foreigners" shocker.
Just came across this thread - amazing to read all these silly and naïve posts essentially suggesting that we should just send a message out that anyone that wishes to enter the UK as a Economic Migrant can do so.They're coming from France. It isn't great, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it pretty fucking awful.
Plus one. AS I understand it international law on asylum is that you register in the first safe country you arrive in so to travel across an entire continent appears there is more than fear for ones life involved.Just came across this thread - amazing to read all these silly and naïve posts essentially suggesting that we should just send a message out that anyone that wishes to enter the UK as a Economic Migrant can do so.
Yeah that will work - the UK is the destination of choice even given how hard it is. I can see France being grateful - they can just let all the people in Calais get 12 miles into the channel to be picked up by UK boats.
We could probably solve the problem for Italy and Greece as well and earn their thanks - all they would have to do is to fund economic migrants to transit to Calais and then off to the UK
Some people are genuinely clueless in their naivety of the real world.
The message has to be firm that there is no access to the UK unless through formal channels - anything else is (perhaps well-intended) stupidity
Plus one. AS I understand it international law on asylum is that you register in the first safe country you arrive in so to travel across an entire continent appears there is more than fear for ones life involved.
Whilst everyone who enters a country illegally should obviously not be allowed to stay
That's about it in a nutshell.
The right answer is adherence to international law, understanding why they have come and treating them like human beings and in a dignified manner, whilst going through the process of international law.
This is it in a nutshell actually -
Do you agree?
When people smugglers and NGO's decide to adhere to international law then I may start to think about it. If you come over in a dinghy or the back of a lorry then yes people should be treated humanely, before deporting them back to the country they have just left.
I’m not talking about the people smugglers, I’m talking about the bloke who’s travelled from a war zone, has left his family behind somewhere and is trying to cross the sea in a dinghy to get to a country where he believes he’ll have the best chance to send money back so his family don’t starve.
I’m glad you think we should treat them humanely, there’s many that don’t believe we should.
Most of these people in dinghys are Iranians and they've actually paid substantial amounts of money to get here, they are not the poor of their nation. You and I both know that there should be a significant difference between how we process a genuine asylum seeker and a an economic migrant, both should be treated fairly of course but in the end if deportation is the final process for someone who enters illegally then that should not be considered bad treatment.
To help those coming from bad countries we have to have a structure which involves paperwork or at least for them to admit where they come from, if we don't know who they are how do we know that they aren't the bad people killing other people in the country they are from.