Sajid Javid

Change the 'migrant' to people - are posters on here seriously suggesting we should let people drown in the sea?

Where would you go if there was war in the UK tomorrow? Where would you go if there was no work in the UK? Where would you go if there were economic sanctions placed on the UK - before answering please bare in mind we are no longer 'free' to move around Europe as we see fit as of March 29th 2019
 
Blue Hefner said:
Change the 'migrant' to people - are posters on here seriously suggesting we should let people drown in the sea?

Where would you go if there was war in the UK tomorrow? Where would you go if there was no work in the UK? Where would you go if there were economic sanctions placed on the UK - before answering please bare in mind we are no longer 'free' to move around Europe as we see fit as of March 29th 2019
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Which country on earth allows anyone to enter with no checks whatsoever?
Plus, It's no good attempting to lay guilt trips. Nobody has forced Iranians to jump into a dinghy in the middle of the night risking their lives.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Which country on earth allows anyone to enter with no checks whatsoever?
Plus, It's no good attempting to lay guilt trips. Nobody has forced Iranians to jump into a dinghy in the middle of the night risking their lives.
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No guilt trip, pal

Of course no-one has forced them(physically) but they have obviously weighted up the pros and cons and figured that risking their lives at sea is a better option than not doing - I cannot imagine any circumstances where I would do that so I am going to assume where they are coming from is pretty fucking awful

In addition. We are not being invaded, a few 100 people in little boats looking for a better life is hardly cause for bringing in the nave

Anyway, I will ask again - where would you run to and how would you get there?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Silly using boats really, if they swam across they'd be fast-tracked for citizenship and entered into the Olympic programme.
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Imagine if the spanish armada or german invasion force were sailing down the channel nowadays, if Savid and his mates panic over a few 100 in a rubber dingy, they would positively fall to pieces if someone actually tried invading.
 
Blue Hefner said:
No guilt trip, pal

Of course no-one has forced them(physically) but they have obviously weighted up the pros and cons and figured that risking their lives at sea is a better option than not doing - I cannot imagine any circumstances where I would do that so I am going to assume where they are coming from is pretty fucking awful

In addition. We are not being invaded, a few 100 people in little boats looking for a better life is hardly cause for bringing in the nave

Anyway, I will ask again - where would you run to and how would you get there?
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They're coming from France. It isn't great, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it pretty fucking awful.
 
urban genie said:
I was in the Jersey and went to france, and never shown a passport as I entered the EU from a non EU country, should I turn myself in as having illegaly crossed a border?

And then returned not showing a passport.

In fact when I returned to the UK from Jersey I never showed my passport, just went through a different lane.
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You should have shown one because whilst Jersey is not in the UK it is in the CTA. To leave the UK/CTA and get into Europe, you have to be able to show a passport to get into France.

https://www.flyjersey.com/passport-requirements-for-jersey/

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/entry-requirements

Similarly if coming from the EU to the UK, entry via a UK border requires everyone to show a passport (except if coming from the UK/CTA):

https://www.gov.uk/uk-border-control

Obviously if you aren't entering via a border it doesn't change the fact that you need to go through customs. I fly light aircraft occasionally with friends into Europe and you have to arrange to fly in/out of designated customs airfields on both sides of the channel for this reason.
 
Blue Hefner said:
No guilt trip, pal

Of course no-one has forced them(physically) but they have obviously weighted up the pros and cons and figured that risking their lives at sea is a better option than not doing - I cannot imagine any circumstances where I would do that so I am going to assume where they are coming from is pretty fucking awful

In addition. We are not being invaded, a few 100 people in little boats looking for a better life is hardly cause for bringing in the nave

Anyway, I will ask again - where would you run to and how would you get there?
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I know Calais has gone downhill since we all used to go there on day trips from school but it’s not that bad. France really is a lovely country if you give it a chance.
 
bluethrunthru said:
They put them in detention centres - indefinitely. The only form of UK detention which has no end date. In the year to March 2018 over 26k went through those centres and about 2.5k were still being detained in them. They are run by private companies and have a very poor record on inmate safety and treatment by the centre staff. You could place Britains homeless in there I suppose if that would make you and them happy but I guess the papers and Human Rights organisations would be all over it like flies on shit. Oh and it would draw even more attention to how shit these places are.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...d-brook-house-immigration-centre-claims-abuse

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tion-public-inquiry-home-office-a8363606.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tion-public-inquiry-home-office-a8363606.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-staff-foreign-national-held-prison-toothache

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...igrant-abuse-claims-detainees-removal-centres
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That's a pretty meaningless post, they should just be deported not kept on at some detention centre, the long and the short of it is that you shouldn't be rewarded for breaking into any country, even this one.
 
joe123 said:
It's not a choice of one or the other though is it.

200 people attempting to cross the channel in 2 months is not a crisis, and the 5th biggest economy in the world should be able to address both it's homelessness problem and process asylum seekers accordingly, regardless of how they arrive.
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The crisis is people ignoring the fact that either these people are being smuggled or brought in by NGO's. Proper channels fine, sneaking in with the help of open border fanatics not fine.
 
urban genie said:
Have you ever tried getting a visa for the UK ever or recenlty?

I have for imediate family to come over on holiday, and they were refused with a pretty pathetic reason, but then the HO got 300 quid for the visas and as May when as Home Home sec changed the rules so there is right of the right of appeal, another application of the same amount is needed.

It isn't as simple as just applying and getting in, we have no idea if some have tried, been refused but are at their wits end with the situation in france and so chance this crossing anyway.
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So because they can't get in via the visa system they should break in then? That's not a very compelling argument really is it? I have family who live abroad and they get in at the drop of a hat because of course they are legally entitled to entry, it's the law.
If I was to break into Iran I wouldn't get as kindly treated as the people who try to break into the UK.
 
oldtimerdiscopants said:
That's a pretty meaningless post, they should just be deported not kept on at some detention centre, the long and the short of it is that you shouldn't be rewarded for breaking into any country, even this one.
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aside from international obligations and just being a human where do you propose deporting them to?
 
bluethrunthru said:
aside from international obligations and just being a human where do you propose deporting them to?
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Er, they are meant to claim asylum in the first safe country. Both the Geneva Convention and the Dublin Regulation allow for deportation back to where they've come from if they could have claimed it there. In this instance, they've decided not to claim in any one of several European countries in order to try and do so here. It's not an a la carte menu. So the answer to your question in this instance is very much France.
 
Henkeman said:
Er, they are meant to claim asylum in the first safe country. Both the Geneva Convention and the Dublin Regulation allow for deportation back to where they've come from if they could have claimed it there. In this instance, they've decided not to claim in any one of several European countries in order to try and do so here. It's not an a la carte menu. So the answer to your question in this instance is very much France.
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They travelled all the way from Iran because they have a cousin here, how dare we say no to them ;)
 
oldtimerdiscopants said:
If they came from France then France it's not hard. Our international obligations don't include just allowing people to stay who break in, that's ridiculous.
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why should France take them? They will say that the only obligations that apply are those that the people you want to deport should have applied for asylum in the first safe country they came into. Can we prove that was France? Doubtful as they seldom have papers. Our view would be the same - first safe country they should apply. You have to know where that was. This was always going to eventually be the problem because as an island on the extremes of Europe once they get here they know we need to find out where they came through. You are over simplifylng a problem with your naive answers.
 
dave_blue12 said:
My understanding is that under current EU agreements we send many thousands back to France.

However, once we Brexit these people will become our problem.
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No they wont at all, Brexit has nothing to do with this. Most people arguing for these people are just open border activists. I travelled extensively around Europe before we signed into the cabal and will do after we leave, nobody s falling for that tosh mate.
 
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