Sajid Javid

Another useless ****, now using a minor issue to vie for a possible leadership chance.

Clueless **** who has no understanding of the situation.

More laughable was the bbc flying along the kent coast to show us how unprotected we are.. fuck off and behave.

It has been stated nearly 80% of those that have attemped to cross have family here as a reason and can prove it.
The next highest reason is that the secomd language after their own is English and feel lost in France where they strugle to find work because of this.
 
Another useless ****, now using a minor issue to vie for a possible leadership chance.

Clueless **** who has no understanding of the situation.

More laughable was the bbc flying along the kent coast to show us how unprotected we are.. fuck off and behave.

It has been stated nearly 80% of those that have attemped to cross have family here as a reason and can prove it.
The next highest reason is that the secomd language after their own is English and feel lost in France where they strugle to find work because of this.

If they can't get in legally and they enter illegally then they should be ushered out, we don't live in a world without borders and there are rules you have to follow not just arrive and then say your aunt Mavis lives here. The NGO's and people smugglers are rubbing their hands together at the weakness of Europe, nobody has a right to just break into a country and expect to stay.
 
If they can't get in legally and they enter illegally then they should be ushered out, we don't live in a world without borders and there are rules you have to follow not just arrive and then say your aunt Mavis lives here. The NGO's and people smugglers are rubbing their hands together at the weakness of Europe, nobody has a right to just break into a country and expect to stay.


Not the point I was making.
These people have been processed in france amd some have got refugee/asylum staus, but that's it, they don't speak the langue, they have no fixed abode or meaningful work due to this barrier (and we are talking trained professionals like doctors and teachers univeraoty educated) and so see coming to an English speaking country, where most of the time relatives are already there, they see a better opportunity to live a decent life.

They can stay in france, but many are living on the street or in refuges, eating from the daily soup kitchens that provide food all along the french coast or can take a chance on trying to reach relatives and have somewhere to crash and then seek work/aslyum status in the UK and then contribute.

I have worked with ex refugees and asylum seekers, and they imediately looked for work, and workex hard and pay tax, once they were given the opportunity to by being accepted in.

Savid Javid has used a very small and not too regular set of events for political gain, eying up Mays job.
 
Not the point I was making.
These people have been processed in france amd some have got refugee/asylum staus, but that's it, they don't speak the langue, they have no fixed abode or meaningful work due to this barrier (and we are talking trained professionals like doctors and teachers univeraoty educated) and so see coming to an English speaking country, where most of the time relatives are already there, they see a better opportunity to live a decent life.

They can stay in france, but many are living on the street or in refuges, eating from the daily soup kitchens that provide food all along the french coast or can take a chance on trying to reach relatives and have somewhere to crash and then seek work/aslyum status in the UK and then contribute.

I have worked with ex refugees and asylum seekers, and they imediately looked for work, and workex hard and pay tax, once they were given the opportunity to by being accepted in.

Savid Javid has used a very small and not too regular set of events for political gain, eying up Mays job.

And that is the nub of it. Javid is saying that they are not genuine refugees or asylum seekers. They are economic migrants
who should not be allowed in and not allowed to stay. As oldtimer says - we do not live in a world without borders.
 
And that is the nub of it. Javid is saying that they are not genuine refugees or asylum seekers. They are economic migrants
who should not be allowed in and not allowed to stay. As oldtimer says - we do not live in a world without borders.

However as the rules state that refugee's are not asylum seekers until that is officially decided - and not by the Home Sec who's job it is to defend the borders not make such decisions. There are obligations towards refugee's as part of our UN membership and transition from refugee to asylum seeker is a decision which follows a legal process. If the refugee's bid to be recognised as an asylum seeker fails then deportation is a possibility. As Urban Genie says Javid is exploiting the situation for his own potential gain as Maydays moment of doom approaches and he is doing so by declaring what status people do or don't have before they have even attempted to do anything.
 
Not the point I was making.

These people have been processed in france amd some have got refugee/asylum staus, but that's it, they don't speak the langue, they have no fixed abode or meaningful work due to this barrier (and we are talking trained professionals like doctors and teachers univeraoty educated) and so see coming to an English speaking country, where most of the time relatives are already there, they see a better opportunity to live a decent life.

They can stay in france, but many are living on the street or in refuges, eating from the daily soup kitchens that provide food all along the french coast or can take a chance on trying to reach relatives and have somewhere to crash and then seek work/aslyum status in the UK and then contribute.

I have worked with ex refugees and asylum seekers, and they imediately looked for work, and workex hard and pay tax, once they were given the opportunity to by being accepted in.

Savid Javid has used a very small and not too regular set of events for political gain, eying up Mays job.

If people have family here then why don't they just enter the UK legally then? We have trains, planes or you just drive here and enter via the border like everyone else. There are visas available which enable people to enter the UK completely legally on a family basis.

Just because you are a refugee it does not excuse you to break the law that the rest of us follow, the convention for refugees says refugees must follow the rule of law.

You cannot excuse someone entering the UK illegally because refugee status does not automatically grant you the unlimited freedom of movement anywhere in the world as you please and to exercise that right all you need is a boat....
 
Not the point I was making.
These people have been processed in france amd some have got refugee/asylum staus, but that's it, they don't speak the langue, they have no fixed abode or meaningful work due to this barrier (and we are talking trained professionals like doctors and teachers univeraoty educated) and so see coming to an English speaking country, where most of the time relatives are already there, they see a better opportunity to live a decent life.

They can stay in france, but many are living on the street or in refuges, eating from the daily soup kitchens that provide food all along the french coast or can take a chance on trying to reach relatives and have somewhere to crash and then seek work/aslyum status in the UK and then contribute.

I have worked with ex refugees and asylum seekers, and they imediately looked for work, and workex hard and pay tax, once they were given the opportunity to by being accepted in.

Savid Javid has used a very small and not too regular set of events for political gain, eying up Mays job.

They're illegals aren't they? It's even worse if they have entered France and been processed we aren't responsible for people living on the streets in France we have enough homeless of our own to worry about. There's a swing towards disregard for border control nowadays that's unwelcome at best.
 
They're illegals aren't they? It's even worse if they have entered France and been processed we aren't responsible for people living on the streets in France we have enough homeless of our own to worry about. There's a swing towards disregard for border control nowadays that's unwelcome at best.

And the point of a border is to protect the people here and not the people that are coming here.

We should uphold our part in helping refugees but only on the basis that it is orderly, correct and legal. Fishing out migrants in the channel coming from France is none of those.
 

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