Samir Nasri

[olddirty]

Don't get me wrong Nip, I believe Wenger is brilliant, I just believe Mancini is better.

Mancini better than Wenger ? Seriously ?

 

[cibaman]

he really hasnt helped himself with these comments, bobs obviously said these comments publicly to try and fire him up. Nasri will end up being at PSG in the summer.

Possibly what Mancini is hoping?

 

[Rolee]

Now you're saying I'm talking nonsense, you get out of bed the wrong side Nip?

Calm down dear, can we not have a polite conversation without you calling my opinion crap or nonsense?

I'm looking at both managers careers overall and judging them on that. I couldn't give a shit what individual players think in regards to who it was best to work under.

 

[kaz7]

Don't get me wrong Nip, I believe Wenger is brilliant, I just believe Mancini is better.

Mancini better than Wenger ? Seriously ?

someone put up the win % and trophy stats please

 

[NipHolmes]

Don't get me wrong Nip, I believe Wenger is brilliant, I just believe Mancini is better.

Mancini better than Wenger ? Seriously ?

someone put up the win % and trophy stats please

Add spend too. You know, just for balance purposes.

 

[moomba]

The press are manipulating a situation yet again ! seriously, don't fall for it

Sorry bobster, I have no problem with what he has said but the press are manipulating nothing. he actually said this stuff

The press are making something out of nothing. Nasri never called Mancini a liar like the Fail suggest.

-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:49 am --

Mancini better than Wenger ? Seriously ?

someone put up the win % and trophy stats please

Add spend too. You know, just for balance purposes.

Is the point of football winning things, or not spending money?

Or to put it another way, if Mancini spent nothing and won nothing for the next 7 years would that make him a better manager than if he spent and won a shitload?

 

[olddirty]

Don't get me wrong Nip, I believe Wenger is brilliant, I just believe Mancini is better.

Mancini better than Wenger ? Seriously ?

someone put up the win % and trophy stats please

It's not all about stats. Sometimes it's not all about money either.

 

[BobKowalski]

Taking a wild stab at this...

ok with Nasri comments = Mancini out
not ok with Nasri comments - Mancini in

Nasri can refute Mancini's assessment as he is entitled to do. The fact that he has had a poor season is self-evident and something he actually acknowledges which kind of makes Mancini's point for him. If Nasri is fired up enough to deliver a series of 'fuck you' performances then happy days. I personally think Nasri will be moved on in the summer but it would be nice to see him go out with a bang if that does happen.

As for the Wenger love...well duh. Nasri needs the love just like Dzeko needs the love. If you come to City under Mancini looking for love then you will be sorely disappointed. To get Mancini love - the occasional squeeze of the shoulder here, a pat on the cheek there - you need to put it out there and be seen to put it out there week in, week out on a consistent basis. If you need a warm, loving environment to even get close to this then Mancini and City isn't for you.

Most Arsenal fans seem to think Nasri had one good half season and that was about it. How much of that is coloured by the way Nasri left I honestly couldn't say but along with his national team exclusion and performances under two contrasting styles of management I can't help thinking that Nasri should start looking at himself a bit more.

Which funnily enough is pretty much what Mancini is saying as well.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

The press are manipulating a situation yet again ! seriously, don't fall for it

Sorry bobster, I have no problem with what he has said but the press are manipulating nothing. he actually said this stuff

You dont think the big headline of Mancini is a LIAR is manipulating the situation

Didn't see the Mail one

 

[NipHolmes]

The press are manipulating a situation yet again ! seriously, don't fall for it

Sorry bobster, I have no problem with what he has said but the press are manipulating nothing. he actually said this stuff

The press are making something out of nothing. Nasri never called Mancini a liar like the Fail suggest.

-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:49 am --

someone put up the win % and trophy stats please

Add spend too. You know, just for balance purposes.

Is the point of football winning things, or not spending money?

Or to put it another way, if Mancini spent nothing and won nothing for the next 7 years would that make him a better manager than if he spent and won a shitload?

If Mancini had to manage us and we sold off our crown jewels season after season yet Mancini kept us in CL then he'd have to be credited for winning a thankless battle.

The point of football is to win things I agree but that prinicple got lost when businessmen came into the game to make money rather than spend and try to win.

If Wenger was a 'crap manager' or even one on decline then why would he have not been sacked? Why would he be paid one of the highest wages in Europe?
Reason is because he's doing a good job and he's making the board money. Usmanov tells you and I all you need to know. I have called this spade ages ago and Nasri just did it yesterday. Kroenke alone is the reason Arsenal are struggling.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:00 am --<br /><br />

Now you're saying I'm talking nonsense, you get out of bed the wrong side Nip?

Calm down dear, can we not have a polite conversation without you calling my opinion crap or nonsense?

I'm looking at both managers careers overall and judging them on that. I couldn't give a shit what individual players think in regards to who it was best to work under.

Sorry Rolle for my tone, I just won't accept unfair arguments and points because if it were us who were making profit and selling starts every year and it was Arsenal spending then I'd stick up for us so I'm being fair.

Players who have played under both managers have an opinion which is qualified rather tahn specualtive. I'd take no stock in the likes of say Ginola saying Wenger is a better manager but I take stock from players who've played under both. Just like I do with Moratti who employed both Jose and Mancini and said Jose is a better manager. These people have sound opinions and based on truths and experience rather than bias and speculation.

It's like me saying 'Silva is better than Iniesta', it's just an opinion but if I played with both then i'd have an informed and qualified opinion. It's just like an article in the press, if it has no quotes it should be dismissed but if it has quotes and sources it should be treated with credence.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Them arsenal fans must be wrong uns nip with their wenger out banners :)

 

[Anonymous]

Posted this in the Mancini thread but it's just as relevant in here.

Just to clarify a few things ... I watched the i/v on Bein Sport last night. He was relaxed and talked well. The comments about Mancini were not particularly malicious, although it obviously stung him that Mancini had said he doesn't put it in in training and in that sense he basically said Mancini wasn't being honest, but also that Mancini's poor English often led to him saying inappropriate things to the press about players.

He's not going to leave City this summer btw. That much was clear from the interview. His comments about Wenger are nothing new, as are his comments about the direction Arsenal were heading in.

I think the really interesting part about the interview hasn't made it over to the British papers, and that's when he talks about le generation 87. Very honest in admitting that as a group they are mentally quite weak. He also speaks about talent alone not being enough at the very highest level and how mental strength is as important as ability.

All very interesting to be honest. Very clear that Nasri's a player who needs coaching both on and off the field. I suppose that it's a choice City will have to make with regards to our playing staff and Mancini. If we are going to persist with him, then we are going to have to sign perfectly rounded players who need nothing from the manager other than instructions on where to play, how to play, and when to play.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

When the inevitable happens in the summer and Mourinho exits Real Madrid, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see the Wenger to Madrid links resurgace again whereas I would be surprised to see a Mancini to Madrid link.

Football fans are fickle, none more so than the Arsenal lot. If Wenger grabs 4th again this season, which is absolutely essential with regards to getting the top-level players they ultimately need should Arsenal finally have a "warchest" of some kind to spend, then all those Piers Morgan-like Arsenal fans who have been chanting "Wenger Out!" will be backing him again for next season.

For a team that has had to sell Fabregas, Nasri, Song, RVP and others in order to fill Kroenke's pocket, whilst only being able to bring in the likes of Arteta and Mertersacker and yet they continually qualify for the CL, although may come unstuck finally this season, is quite impressive.

There seems to be a misconception that Wenger has tens of millions of £££ to spend every summer and he just plain refuses to. That's bollocks I'm afraid. If it wasn't, then what club would continue to employ a manager on the highest salary in the league, who refuses to spend the money he has, whilst failing to win a single trophy in 8 years? The fact is, the board know the situation Wenger is in and believe he is performing admirably given the resources at hand. Rumour has it that those resources may finally improve considerably in the summer.

 

[NipHolmes]

Them arsenal fans must be wrong uns nip with their wenger out banners :)

They are right to be vexed with him.

Wenger needs to stop toeing the party line and call a spade. Usmanov is Arsenals hope of challenging again and they already have him on board. Instead Usmanov is treated with contempt and fans are brainwashed that us, Chelsea etc are evil and ruining the game whilst they do everything 'organically'.

The sold rights to stadium 'emirates' so that isn't organic really.
They charge higher prices for a ticket than we do and they haven't won fuck all for years.

Their fans are being mugged off to use a cockney phrase and Wenger is allowing his good work to be undone and his legacy is tarnishing by the day.

Wenger treads carefully but his qoutes tell you a lot.
'We cannot sell Nasri and Fabregas and call ourselves a big club'
'Every season I must make a profit'

Basically the boards selling players off for gain and he's not allowed to spend because club pocket revenue raised rather than invest. On that basis it is incredibly naive and unfair to discredit Wenger for the lack of silverware when his hands are tied and the spend budget slashed.

Fuck sakes their top wage is £100k less than what we pay Komapny, Silva, Yaya, Tevez and Aguero.

It's ok though, inners or blinkered can still argue Mancini is better and things are equal though, let's not start off on an equal footing to debate ;)

 

[cleavers]

It's ok though, inners or blinkered can still argue Mancini is better and things are equal though, let's not start off on an equal footing to debate ;)

and lets not turn this thread into another about the manager, this one is about Nasri not Mancini.

 

[Benarbia]

Love how people on here desperate for this to be a non event when it quite clearly is a new interview and is clearly a problem

 

[Rolee]

Love how people on here desperate for this to be a non event when it quite clearly is a new interview and is clearly a problem

Why is it a problem?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Don't get me wrong Nip, I believe Wenger is brilliant, I just believe Mancini is better.

Mancini better than Wenger ? Seriously ?

At winning stuff. Undoubtedly.
Wenger is a good youth coach but when it comes to winning stuff he's not that good.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:05 pm --<br /><br />

Love how people on here desperate for this to be a non event when it quite clearly is a new interview and is clearly a problem

Why is it a problem?

Why indeed.
Nasri is gone in the summer. Monaco or PSG

 

[moomba]

There seems to be a misconception that Wenger has tens of millions of £££ to spend every summer and he just plain refuses to. That's bollocks I'm afraid. If it wasn't, then what club would continue to employ a manager on the highest salary in the league, who refuses to spend the money he has, whilst failing to win a single trophy in 8 years? The fact is, the board know the situation Wenger is in and believe he is performing admirably given the resources at hand. Rumour has it that those resources may finally improve considerably in the summer.

Arsenal have had the resources to spend big (or keep the players they had) for several years now. They have well over £100m in the bank, make profits year after year (player sales have contributed to that) and a pretty well placed as far as debt goes.

It's either a board decision not to spend or a Wenger decision. I suspect a bit of both.

I also think a big problem of theres is not so much that they don't pay the biggest wages, but the gap between their top earner and lower earners isn't very high. So they have a pretty high wage bill, but a lot of that is taken up by player that don't really contribute much. So if an when they do spend again a pretty big clearout will be needed.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

There seems to be a misconception that Wenger has tens of millions of £££ to spend every summer and he just plain refuses to. That's bollocks I'm afraid. If it wasn't, then what club would continue to employ a manager on the highest salary in the league, who refuses to spend the money he has, whilst failing to win a single trophy in 8 years? The fact is, the board know the situation Wenger is in and believe he is performing admirably given the resources at hand. Rumour has it that those resources may finally improve considerably in the summer.

Arsenal have had the resources to spend big (or keep the players they had) for several years now. They have well over £100m in the bank, make profits year after year (player sales have contributed to that) and a pretty well placed as far as debt goes.

It's either a board decision not to spend or a Wenger decision. I suspect a bit of both.

I also think a big problem of theres is not so much that they don't pay the biggest wages, but the gap between their top earner and lower earners isn't very high. So they have a pretty high wage bill, but a lot of that is taken up by player that don't really contribute much. So if an when they do spend again a pretty big clearout will be needed.

I'm not denying they don't have money in the bank. However, that's something Kroenke likes to see. I have no doubts that the decisions they've made in recent years fall squarely with him and his people.

Why would Wenger be happy to sell, year on year, their best players and replace them with comparitively average players? It's nonsensical. His quotes about how they cannot seriously expect to challenge for the title when you sell your best players every year backs that up.

I agree with you about their wage structure though. Rather odd to see so many bog standard players getting high wages.