Samir Nasri

[NipHolmes]

There seems to be a misconception that Wenger has tens of millions of £££ to spend every summer and he just plain refuses to. That's bollocks I'm afraid. If it wasn't, then what club would continue to employ a manager on the highest salary in the league, who refuses to spend the money he has, whilst failing to win a single trophy in 8 years? The fact is, the board know the situation Wenger is in and believe he is performing admirably given the resources at hand. Rumour has it that those resources may finally improve considerably in the summer.

Arsenal have had the resources to spend big (or keep the players they had) for several years now. They have well over £100m in the bank, make profits year after year (player sales have contributed to that) and a pretty well placed as far as debt goes.

It's either a board decision not to spend or a Wenger decision. I suspect a bit of both.

I also think a big problem of theres is not so much that they don't pay the biggest wages, but the gap between their top earner and lower earners isn't very high. So they have a pretty high wage bill, but a lot of that is taken up by player that don't really contribute much. So if an when they do spend again a pretty big clearout will be needed.

I'm not denying they don't have money in the bank. However, that's something Kroenke likes to see. I have no doubts that the decisions they've made in recent years fall squarely with him and his people.

Why would Wenger be happy to sell, year on year, their best players and replace them with comparitively average players? It's nonsensical. His quotes about how they cannot seriously expect to challenge for the title when you sell your best players every year backs that up.

I agree with you about their wage structure though. Rather odd to see so many bog standard players getting high wages.

Wages are set as they are to keep squad harmony.

The problem is that Arshavin is on 80k, Diaby is on 60k and always injured, Almunia was on 50k and RVP was on just 90k yet was stand out best player. When you get club captain and last seasons best splayer on 10k more than Arshavin you know there's probems.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Them arsenal fans must be wrong uns nip with their wenger out banners :)

They are right to be vexed with him.

Wenger needs to stop toeing the party line and call a spade. Usmanov is Arsenals hope of challenging again and they already have him on board. Instead Usmanov is treated with contempt and fans are brainwashed that us, Chelsea etc are evil and ruining the game whilst they do everything 'organically'.

The sold rights to stadium 'emirates' so that isn't organic really.
They charge higher prices for a ticket than we do and they haven't won fuck all for years.

Their fans are being mugged off to use a cockney phrase and Wenger is allowing his good work to be undone and his legacy is tarnishing by the day.

Wenger treads carefully but his qoutes tell you a lot.
'We cannot sell Nasri and Fabregas and call ourselves a big club'
'Every season I must make a profit'

Basically the boards selling players off for gain and he's not allowed to spend because club pocket revenue raised rather than invest. On that basis it is incredibly naive and unfair to discredit Wenger for the lack of silverware when his hands are tied and the spend budget slashed.

Fuck sakes their top wage is £100k less than what we pay Komapny, Silva, Yaya, Tevez and Aguero.

It's ok though, inners or blinkered can still argue Mancini is better and things are equal though, let's not start off on an equal footing to debate ;)

Like cleavers has said i dont know why you turn every thread into a mancini debate nip

Anyway i just wondered why arsenal fans take banners wanting wenger out,do protest and are constantly bitching about him on every radio station about his tactics.
Granted it has eased off lately as they are climbing the table

 

[The Future's Blue]

Good to see that people are debating the real issue with Nasri's interview, and that's the one about Arsenal and their propensity to sell their best players and rip off their fans.

 

[NipHolmes]

Them arsenal fans must be wrong uns nip with their wenger out banners :)

They are right to be vexed with him.

Wenger needs to stop toeing the party line and call a spade. Usmanov is Arsenals hope of challenging again and they already have him on board. Instead Usmanov is treated with contempt and fans are brainwashed that us, Chelsea etc are evil and ruining the game whilst they do everything 'organically'.

The sold rights to stadium 'emirates' so that isn't organic really.
They charge higher prices for a ticket than we do and they haven't won fuck all for years.

Their fans are being mugged off to use a cockney phrase and Wenger is allowing his good work to be undone and his legacy is tarnishing by the day.

Wenger treads carefully but his qoutes tell you a lot.
'We cannot sell Nasri and Fabregas and call ourselves a big club'
'Every season I must make a profit'

Basically the boards selling players off for gain and he's not allowed to spend because club pocket revenue raised rather than invest. On that basis it is incredibly naive and unfair to discredit Wenger for the lack of silverware when his hands are tied and the spend budget slashed.

Fuck sakes their top wage is £100k less than what we pay Komapny, Silva, Yaya, Tevez and Aguero.

It's ok though, inners or blinkered can still argue Mancini is better and things are equal though, let's not start off on an equal footing to debate ;)

Like cleavers has said i dont know why you turn every thread into a mancini debate nip

Anyway i just wondered why arsenal fans take banners wanting wenger out,do protest and are constantly bitching about him on every radio station about his tactics.
Granted it has eased off lately as they are climbing the table

I wasn't the one who stated Mancini was better than Wenger.

I also think our fans are being unfair and if the table was turned would argue my point more often than not.

As I have kept saying and as you bloody well know. Kroenke is the problem.
I think this will shut you up a bit;
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18725835" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18725835</a>

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

regardless of the fact that Wenger has defined himself as a kiss-arse to the corporates, a man with no morals, a complete corporate suck-up, as well as a manager with a poor eye for a bargain, who rarely finds Arsenal value for money and has one of the poorest attitudes and is a pretty unprofessional and sore loser. Beyond all that his record in Europe is still not good enough even when Arsenal were really good and he's gone over 200 european games without winning a major trophy, far outseeing the top names in European management.

He's not a top class manager and should never be considered for our job.

 

[Danamy]

Them arsenal fans must be wrong uns nip with their wenger out banners :)

They are right to be vexed with him.

Wenger needs to stop toeing the party line and call a spade. Usmanov is Arsenals hope of challenging again and they already have him on board. Instead Usmanov is treated with contempt and fans are brainwashed that us, Chelsea etc are evil and ruining the game whilst they do everything 'organically'.

The sold rights to stadium 'emirates' so that isn't organic really.
They charge higher prices for a ticket than we do and they haven't won fuck all for years.

Their fans are being mugged off to use a cockney phrase and Wenger is allowing his good work to be undone and his legacy is tarnishing by the day.

Wenger treads carefully but his qoutes tell you a lot.
'We cannot sell Nasri and Fabregas and call ourselves a big club'
'Every season I must make a profit'

Basically the boards selling players off for gain and he's not allowed to spend because club pocket revenue raised rather than invest. On that basis it is incredibly naive and unfair to discredit Wenger for the lack of silverware when his hands are tied and the spend budget slashed.

Fuck sakes their top wage is £100k less than what we pay Komapny, Silva, Yaya, Tevez and Aguero.

It's ok though, inners or blinkered can still argue Mancini is better and things are equal though, let's not start off on an equal footing to debate ;)

Like cleavers has said i dont know why you turn every thread into a mancini debate nip

Anyway i just wondered why arsenal fans take banners wanting wenger out,do protest and are constantly bitching about him on every radio station about his tactics.
Granted it has eased off lately as they are climbing the table

Not all Arsenal fans are in that belief TCM

Some fans look at Wenger and think he's run his course for the club and they're in need of a fresh face and change.

There's others however that appreciate what Wenger has done for the club and feel loyalty towards him, he did build that stadium himself nigh on with all the players he bought and sold on for the good of the club.

What i'm trying to say is with Arsenal fans it's a mix bag, they don't all want his head?

(Sounds familiar eh?)<br /><br />-- 02 Apr 2013 13:27 --<br /><br />

regardless of the fact that Wenger has defined himself as a kiss-arse to the corporates, a man with no morals, a complete corporate suck-up, as well as a manager with a poor eye for a bargain, who rarely finds Arsenal value for money and has one of the poorest attitudes and is a pretty unprofessional and sore loser. Beyond all that his record in Europe is still not good enough even when Arsenal were really good and he's gone over 200 european games without winning a major trophy, far outseeing the top names in European management.

He's not a top class manager and should never be considered for our job.

I'm not sure how much of that post is a piss take or serious?

I agree with half and not the other half :-/

 

[bernabias home shirt]

They are right to be vexed with him.

Wenger needs to stop toeing the party line and call a spade. Usmanov is Arsenals hope of challenging again and they already have him on board. Instead Usmanov is treated with contempt and fans are brainwashed that us, Chelsea etc are evil and ruining the game whilst they do everything 'organically'.

The sold rights to stadium 'emirates' so that isn't organic really.
They charge higher prices for a ticket than we do and they haven't won fuck all for years.

Their fans are being mugged off to use a cockney phrase and Wenger is allowing his good work to be undone and his legacy is tarnishing by the day.

Wenger treads carefully but his qoutes tell you a lot.
'We cannot sell Nasri and Fabregas and call ourselves a big club'
'Every season I must make a profit'

Basically the boards selling players off for gain and he's not allowed to spend because club pocket revenue raised rather than invest. On that basis it is incredibly naive and unfair to discredit Wenger for the lack of silverware when his hands are tied and the spend budget slashed.

Fuck sakes their top wage is £100k less than what we pay Komapny, Silva, Yaya, Tevez and Aguero.

It's ok though, inners or blinkered can still argue Mancini is better and things are equal though, let's not start off on an equal footing to debate ;)

Like cleavers has said i dont know why you turn every thread into a mancini debate nip

Anyway i just wondered why arsenal fans take banners wanting wenger out,do protest and are constantly bitching about him on every radio station about his tactics.
Granted it has eased off lately as they are climbing the table

Not all Arsenal fans are in that belief TCM

Some fans look at Wenger and think he's run his course for the club and they're in need of a fresh face and change.

There's others however that appreciate what Wenger has done for the club and feel loyalty towards him, he did build that stadium himself nigh on with all the players he bought and sold on for the good of the club.

What i'm trying to say is with Arsenal fans it's a mix bag, they don't all want his head?

(Sounds familiar eh?)

I was getting round to that mate
The Mancini outers on here see wenger as doing a good job,yet a lot(not all true) of arsenals fans don't..
And yes we are having a debate on mancini,they have taken wenger to another level though wanting him gone

 

[Danamy]

Like cleavers has said i dont know why you turn every thread into a mancini debate nip

Anyway i just wondered why arsenal fans take banners wanting wenger out,do protest and are constantly bitching about him on every radio station about his tactics.
Granted it has eased off lately as they are climbing the table

Not all Arsenal fans are in that belief TCM

Some fans look at Wenger and think he's run his course for the club and they're in need of a fresh face and change.

There's others however that appreciate what Wenger has done for the club and feel loyalty towards him, he did build that stadium himself nigh on with all the players he bought and sold on for the good of the club.

What i'm trying to say is with Arsenal fans it's a mix bag, they don't all want his head?

(Sounds familiar eh?)

I was getting round to that mate
The Mancini outers on here see wenger as doing a good job,yet a lot(not all true) of arsenals fans don't..
And yes we are having a debate on mancini,they have taken wenger to another level though wanting him gone

I do rate Wenger, he was way before his time when coming to this country with his ideas and scouting network, sadly for him everyone else has cottoned on to it and he's now missing the boat on targets with them choosing other clubs.

I would have him at City but not as first team Manager, i'd find him a role in the Academy when it's up and running as he's got so much to offer both scouting and coaching youth, where do you think Vieira gets it from?

 

[kaz7]

Nasri can say what he wants about mancini at the end of the season,we can all see he is not having a great season so he doesnt really have a leg to stand on there.He appears to be a bit of a spoilt brat who has fallen out with his french manager and team mates along with the media.If he wants his hand held he is in the wrong team.To do this interview when your next game is the derby is not right,it may only be about bragging rights but it is still the derby and it will now all be about splits in the camp whether we lose or give them a pasting.could he not have waited a week to say this?

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

regardless of the fact that Wenger has defined himself as a kiss-arse to the corporates, a man with no morals, a complete corporate suck-up, as well as a manager with a poor eye for a bargain, who rarely finds Arsenal value for money and has one of the poorest attitudes and is a pretty unprofessional and sore loser. Beyond all that his record in Europe is still not good enough even when Arsenal were really good and he's gone over 200 european games without winning a major trophy, far outseeing the top names in European management.

He's not a top class manager and should never be considered for our job.

Is this a WUM, JMW?

You’re normally a good poster when it comes to this, but some of that post is complete drivel.

Henry (Bought for 6m)
Vieira (Bought for 3.5m, sold for 18m)
Anelka (Bought for 500k, sold for 22m)
Petit (Bought for 2.5m, sold for 7m)
Overmars (Bought for 5.5m, sold for 25m)
Ljungberg (Bought for 3m, released)
Campbell (Free transfer)
Kolo Toure (Bought for 16k, sold for 16m)
Gilberto Silva (Bought for 4.5m, sold for 1m)
Fabregas (Free transfer, sold for 30m)
RVP (Bought for 3m, sold for 20m)
Adebayor (Bought for 7m, sold for 25m)

That list above tells me that he’s always had an eye for a bargain. When you take into account the fees these players were sold for and the fact that a lot of them were past their peaks when he did sell them tells me he knows what he can get from a player and when they’ve given what they could and can’t offer much more.

It’s a lot harder these days to grab yourselves a bargain. You’ll get the odd exception of a Kompany and a Nastasic but the fact is, it was his transfer policy and eye for a player that won Arsenal the trophies they did and was the main reason for them having the finances to spearhead a move to the Emirates Stadium.

Yes, he’s not won anything for a fairly long time, but when you’re hampered by a board with such a lack of immediate ambition, it’s quite difficult.

Wenger is a top class manager, IMO. I genuinely believe that if he had the squads of City, Madrid or Bayern, even Chelsea, along with their respective finances and the boards that are willing to back him, he’d win plenty of trophies with the lot.

Only a few years ago, whilst he was potless for 4 years and just before Mourinho took the Madrid job, Wenger was in the running for that job. Nobody is coveted for such a job if they’re not classed as a top class manager.

As for examples of being unprofessional and a sore loser. Stick Ferguson, Mourinho, Benitez and Mancini in those categories too.

The most credible stick to beat Wenger with is the fact that he hasn't won the CL. It's only because of Barcelona that him or indeed Ferguson hasn't wone more CL medals.