Sarah Everard murder | Wayne Couzens given whole-life sentence

ChicagoBlue said:
As I thought I made clear, I was referring to having any sympathy for how people like this (fo the crime, do the time, but come out very very old after life has moved on) “feel.”

I’d didn’t suggest personal umbrage at the poster, merely the sentiment, which i expressly stated.

This has been taken as some personal affront, as if I’m more outraged than anyone else. How could I even know if I was?

Rather, it was a declaration that the murderer’s feelings are irrelevant and that society has no use for him.

Whether he gets a capital death sentence, a whole life (death) sentence, or a swift “just desserts” death sentence inside, I honestly don’t care. I think it should be the latter.

Personally, I think Britain should reinstate the Death Penalty and all ”special circumstance” murder cases should be put before a panel of Judges, not jurors.

The CPS, based on evidence, could decide whether a case was deemed a “special circumstance” case, based on such things, laid out in law, as extensive planning, cruel punishment or torture before death, sexual assault prior to death, post-mortem abuse of the corpse, abuse of public office or status, etc…

Once deemed thus, the course is set. Trial, with penalty of death as sentence, if found guilty.
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20 years breaking rocks followed by execution was something a work colleague suggested for some horrendous crimes.
This would fit the bill I reckon.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I wonder if there is any deterrent for someone like this person. Working as a policeman, he would have known more than anyone the chances of him being caught and prosecuted for his crime were very high, and yet he carried it out anyway. If he is of sound mind (and I have read no hints that he is not), then whole life imprisonment is the only punishment appropriate for this crime. That is the only thing we can do as a society to give Sarahs family some justice.

We also need to take an honest hard look at ourselves and try and answer the question, why is it that girls, women, do not feel secure on the streets of the UK and for once do something serious about that from root to branch.
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I think he believed he had covered all bases and wouldn't be caught, several things he didn't account for like the CCTV on the bus and throwing the phone in the pond. Classic Narcissist.
 
Personally, I would prefer to see change where the Everard case doesn’t happen, or can be forestalled by picking up on warning signs early on and acting upon them.

Venting about death penalties and harsh or extreme punishments, while on one level is emotionally satisfying, don’t actually change anything for the better.

The victim is still dead.
 
kaz7 said:
The advice to women on foot from the top is to question the officer and ring 999 to check who they are , meanwhile they have hit you and dragged you off to rape and murder you anyway

Christ would it hurt them to have a practical bit of advice
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They've had months to prepare answers to these kinds of questions. She died 7 months ago.

The Met don't give a shit.
 
Excuse the pun but I thought Dame Dick was not really much cop in her insincere apology before the cameras. The way she just the name of the deceased as just 'Sarah' and calling her own force 'the Met' sounded a forced attempt to be matey over a serious matter.
The events surrounding the death of PCSO Julia James, a mother and grandmother, killed walking her dog, attracted no demonstrations but everything was conducted in a dignified manner.
RIP both.
 
kaz7 said:
The advice to women on foot from the top is to question the officer and ring 999 to check who they are , meanwhile they have hit you and dragged you off to rape and murder you anyway

Christ would it hurt them to have a practical bit of advice
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In fairness, nothing short of an AK 47 or a pack of wild dogs would help you if someone pretends they're a copper and wants to kill you.
I'm not being flippant, sadly, there are lots of evil men out there ,i just don't know what the answer is.
 
bluemoon32 said:
In fairness, nothing short of an AK 47 or a pack of wild dogs would help you if someone pretends they're a copper and wants to kill you.
I'm not being flippant, sadly, there are lots of evil men out there ,i just don't know what the answer is.
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It should be ok to call a passer by to help you if a lone man stops you and says he is police and to walk away, if he is a wrong un he should run , but to say get out your phone and call the police will not stop him attacking you, the advice should be better given as someone says they have had months to formulate good advice
 
kaz7 said:
The advice to women on foot from the top is to question the officer and ring 999 to check who they are , meanwhile they have hit you and dragged you off to rape and murder you anyway

Christ would it hurt them to have a practical bit of advice
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and the biggest flaw with that advice is that he WAS a Met Police officer - she SHOWED his warrant card and then carried out what on the face of it from Sarah's perspective was a valid arrest procedure. Furthermore as he had been out on Covid patrols and she had called and asked was he a real cop and able to make the arrest the answer would have been yes. The only thing about the call is that it would have identified him and put him off the attack.

For changes to be made first thing that has to happen is that everyone recognises that the Met are the problem here and its not for women to sort out - stop blaming victims and looking to them for the answer ffs!
 
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