Scandalous Attendance at Villa Park

HolteEnder said:
Whilst I agree we may aswell have given you more tickets, we didn't have to. It was obvious early in the week there was very little interest in the game from our side, our forums were full of fans saying they weren't going even though the tickets were cheap and my family members and mates who usually go, none of them went. We were always going to lose anyway whether you had 6000 there or 9000 so we may aswell have let you have the tickets.

We're bottom of the league, won twice all season and going down with a whimper. Did you expect the ground to be full and rocking? The owner has given up as shown by lack of signings this month and the players at best are terrible, at worst don't care. It's no wonder the fans have also given up. Apathy rules at our club these days, we've all accepted our fate this season already. Yesterday was always going to be a hammering and the stay away fans knew that and saved themselves the pain.

What I will say though is some of your fans have got short memories. It wasn't so long ago that you used to get around 25k for earlier round cup games. Even in January 2014 you got 30,000 for a League Cup semi final first leg against West Ham. You have always had loyal and good support, even when you went down but don't forget where you were. You'll start to sound like your neighbours. Next season I reckon we'll get around 25k for most games, if we're doing well then crowds will obviously increase. Our away support will increase drastically with new grounds and cheaper tickets, paying £40-£50 to watch us lose at your gaff and Old Trafford every season isn't fun any more surprisingly.

By the way I actually thought your attendance the other night against Everton was good despite the stick you've taken about it.
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Good post fella - good club villa. No problem with you at all although collymore is a bit of a tit. You have decent support.
 
HolteEnder said:
Whilst I agree we may aswell have given you more tickets, we didn't have to. It was obvious early in the week there was very little interest in the game from our side, our forums were full of fans saying they weren't going even though the tickets were cheap and my family members and mates who usually go, none of them went. We were always going to lose anyway whether you had 6000 there or 9000 so we may aswell have let you have the tickets.

We're bottom of the league, won twice all season and going down with a whimper. Did you expect the ground to be full and rocking? The owner has given up as shown by lack of signings this month and the players at best are terrible, at worst don't care. It's no wonder the fans have also given up. Apathy rules at our club these days, we've all accepted our fate this season already. Yesterday was always going to be a hammering and the stay away fans knew that and saved themselves the pain.

What I will say though is some of your fans have got short memories. It wasn't so long ago that you used to get around 25k for earlier round cup games. Even in January 2014 you got 30,000 for a League Cup semi final first leg against West Ham. You have always had loyal and good support, even when you went down but don't forget where you were. You'll start to sound like your neighbours. Next season I reckon we'll get around 25k for most games, if we're doing well then crowds will obviously increase. Our away support will increase drastically with new grounds and cheaper tickets, paying £40-£50 to watch us lose at your gaff and Old Trafford every season isn't fun any more surprisingly.

By the way I actually thought your attendance the other night against Everton was good despite the stick you've taken about it.
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No I don't think we've short memories and I don't think we'll ever become like the rags,but all in all some other fair points there.
 
Why should they of given us more? It's their home game, it's of no benefit to them whatsoever to let us have more tickets. We could probably of filled the usual away end yesterday without much problem, maybe even more on top of that but then it practically turns it into a home game for us and gives us an advantage. just like when we don't sell out at home in the early rounds, would you want the away fans to potentially match us for numbers and give them a big boost?

The stadium looked completely empty and there was little to no atmosphere from their fans but 23k isn't that bad of an attendance really. They're nailed on to go down, their fans aren't happy with the team and they were playing a top side who was going to put out a strong team and in all probability smash them, in the same situation i'm not sure we'd get much more if i'm being honest.
 
We get pissed off when we the etihad gets labelled the emptihad because there's a couple of thousand missing, now we're calling another club embarrassing because they half filled a stadium. It makes us look as bad as all the rest.

At the end of the day, what matters more is the football on the pitch, not gloating how many empty seats a teams stadium has. It seems to be a common arguement in English football now, especially since the rise of social media.
 
HolteEnder said:
Whilst I agree we may aswell have given you more tickets, we didn't have to. It was obvious early in the week there was very little interest in the game from our side, our forums were full of fans saying they weren't going even though the tickets were cheap and my family members and mates who usually go, none of them went. We were always going to lose anyway whether you had 6000 there or 9000 so we may aswell have let you have the tickets.

We're bottom of the league, won twice all season and going down with a whimper. Did you expect the ground to be full and rocking? The owner has given up as shown by lack of signings this month and the players at best are terrible, at worst don't care. It's no wonder the fans have also given up. Apathy rules at our club these days, we've all accepted our fate this season already. Yesterday was always going to be a hammering and the stay away fans knew that and saved themselves the pain.

What I will say though is some of your fans have got short memories. It wasn't so long ago that you used to get around 25k for earlier round cup games. Even in January 2014 you got 30,000 for a League Cup semi final first leg against West Ham. You have always had loyal and good support, even when you went down but don't forget where you were. You'll start to sound like your neighbours. Next season I reckon we'll get around 25k for most games, if we're doing well then crowds will obviously increase. Our away support will increase drastically with new grounds and cheaper tickets, paying £40-£50 to watch us lose at your gaff and Old Trafford every season isn't fun any more surprisingly.

By the way I actually thought your attendance the other night against Everton was good despite the stick you've taken about it.
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Great post... Feeling your pain and have done so many time in the past ...
If it want for that c**t stanly I'd want you to beat the drop this year, but after his comments yesterday I'd like to see you fall from grace just to see him go into meltdown..
 
Didsbury Dave said:
My thoughts too. This modern day childish armchair fan bantz thing about crowds should be beneath City fans who attend matches and stuck with the club through thick and thin. Leave that to the early 20s lower middle class bottled lager drinking wusses who's minuscule football knowledge is from the pub and Twitter.

Villa are a well supported club going through shit times, not unlike us at several points in our history. Fans don't have a duty to attend matches if they want to prioritise other games or things.
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Mmmm but that's not strictly true, my lad is 18 knows a few lads around his age group who are reds and they have been not bad with our empty seat business .
The worse age group I've encountered is 35 to 55 , at work in the pub , in general really.they always go on about empty seats.
I just laugh, I don't know why people are bothered about lads Bantz, all it is ,is banter between fans, always goes on no matter what age people are.
Nothing wrong with it in my view, you hear it on the school playground and in the old mens working clubs.
 
Also make no mistake the majority of our fans are pleased the crowd was so low as it was a big two fingers up to Lerner who as I said has given up. £10-20 tickets and we only got 17,000 home fans against one of the best teams in the country, it shows the apathy amongst our support and that many have given up. We got around the same amount of home fans for the midweek replay against Wycombe so I think the fact a lot of fans knew we were going to get hammered also played a part.
 
HolteEnder said:
Whilst I agree we may aswell have given you more tickets, we didn't have to. It was obvious early in the week there was very little interest in the game from our side, our forums were full of fans saying they weren't going even though the tickets were cheap and my family members and mates who usually go, none of them went. We were always going to lose anyway whether you had 6000 there or 9000 so we may aswell have let you have the tickets.

We're bottom of the league, won twice all season and going down with a whimper. Did you expect the ground to be full and rocking? The owner has given up as shown by lack of signings this month and the players at best are terrible, at worst don't care. It's no wonder the fans have also given up. Apathy rules at our club these days, we've all accepted our fate this season already. Yesterday was always going to be a hammering and the stay away fans knew that and saved themselves the pain.

What I will say though is some of your fans have got short memories. It wasn't so long ago that you used to get around 25k for earlier round cup games. Even in January 2014 you got 30,000 for a League Cup semi final first leg against West Ham. You have always had loyal and good support, even when you went down but don't forget where you were. You'll start to sound like your neighbours. Next season I reckon we'll get around 25k for most games, if we're doing well then crowds will obviously increase. Our away support will increase drastically with new grounds and cheaper tickets, paying £40-£50 to watch us lose at your gaff and Old Trafford every season isn't fun any more surprisingly.

By the way I actually thought your attendance the other night against Everton was good despite the stick you've taken about it.
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Good post mate .people have got to prioritise how they spend there cash ,we have had shit crowds for cup games in the past so have most other clubs ,it a dear do now a days watching football many pick and chose what game they will attend ,we struggle to sell tickets for the Champs League at times ,their is more to life than paying money to stand in the cold watching players ,some of who could not care less going through the motions .I have always had a bit of a soft spot for Villa but I fear you are going to be out of the Premier for many years
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
absolutely no one has forgotten where we were or came from. your fans constantly sing about empty seats all the time and sing ' where you when you were shit', ...... it seems to be the go to insult now - those city fans forget where they came from. we got 52,000 against everton, 40,000 plus city fans, which was the biggest attendance of any of the carling cup games.

we get constantly slated for having ' empty seats' but as soon as we point it out about your place we are like united fans haha
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Everyone sings that though. It's just a song. Some people take it too seriously.

And there is an element of truth in it because when we were shit under Pearce we were getting crowds of 35/36k for some games and regularly around 6/7k under capacity. We now average 54000 so on that basis some of the fans who attend now were not watching us weekly when we were shit.

Does it matter? 36000 was excellent in my opinion with the shit we were churning out and I don't blame people for not paying good money at that time to watch that. I don't blame Villa fans either because it must be soul destroying this season being a Villa fan.
 
HolteEnder said:
Whilst I agree we may aswell have given you more tickets, we didn't have to. It was obvious early in the week there was very little interest in the game from our side, our forums were full of fans saying they weren't going even though the tickets were cheap and my family members and mates who usually go, none of them went. We were always going to lose anyway whether you had 6000 there or 9000 so we may aswell have let you have the tickets.

We're bottom of the league, won twice all season and going down with a whimper. Did you expect the ground to be full and rocking? The owner has given up as shown by lack of signings this month and the players at best are terrible, at worst don't care. It's no wonder the fans have also given up. Apathy rules at our club these days, we've all accepted our fate this season already. Yesterday was always going to be a hammering and the stay away fans knew that and saved themselves the pain.

What I will say though is some of your fans have got short memories. It wasn't so long ago that you used to get around 25k for earlier round cup games. Even in January 2014 you got 30,000 for a League Cup semi final first leg against West Ham. You have always had loyal and good support, even when you went down but don't forget where you were. You'll start to sound like your neighbours. Next season I reckon we'll get around 25k for most games, if we're doing well then crowds will obviously increase. Our away support will increase drastically with new grounds and cheaper tickets, paying £40-£50 to watch us lose at your gaff and Old Trafford every season isn't fun any more surprisingly.

By the way I actually thought your attendance the other night against Everton was good despite the stick you've taken about it.
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I feel sorry that you guys have Randy Lerner as owner. He did the Cleveland Browns no favors and is taking your club down as well. Hopefully he finds someone who's actually interested in investing for the future.
 
deafmanstevo said:
Mmmm but that's not strictly true, my lad is 18 knows a few lads around his age group who are reds and they have been not bad with our empty seat business .
The worse age group I've encountered is 35 to 55 , at work in the pub , in general really.they always go on about empty seats.
I just laugh, I don't know why people are bothered about lads Bantz, all it is ,is banter between fans, always goes on no matter what age people are.
Nothing wrong with it in my view, you hear it on the school playground and in the old mens working clubs.
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Maybe. I just think that the biggest demographic in football now is the armchair fan, who's opinions are lifted directly from the MOTD pundits and who's "banter" comes second hand from Twitter.

When football was a working man's sport it was much more healthy, when we all just argued about how soft/hard each other's firm was.
 
Let's be honest, this empty seat fad was started by Rags as they had nothing else/left to throw at us anymore. It was then picked up by Arsenal and Liverpool fans mainly who also have issues with us. Apart from those 3, no other club, not even Liverpool if they where honest, can call our current support. Leceister is sold out. Spurs only has a few tickets left in various blocks. And our average, whether you believe the figures or not, is around the 54,000 mark.

That aside, we have lost nearly 3 generations of support to the Rags. Watching United at Derby, United's away support confirmed this. The vast majority of their away support looked early 20's to mid 30's. Compare that to our away support, which is mainly early 40's to late 50's, with younger fans mixed in.
 
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I think this thread has taken up a life of its own, and turned into criticising / defending Villa's home support.

That was never my intention.What i was trying to complain about, was, presumably, many City fans who wanted to go (2 of my seasoncard holding friends definitely included ) could not get tickets for the match because it, (our allocation), was sold out.

With respect to Villa supporters, that must be the most under-subscribed "sellout" ever. I appreciate its their ground, presumably their fixture, but i just think its plain wrong, that people who want to attend, are prevented from doing so, for no logical / fair reason, especially, given the understandable apathy of the home fans, and its not as if their is particular hostility amongst the 2 sets of fans.
 
City took 900 there a few years ago midweek. Where were all these new City Super Fans then?
 
always respect for Birmingham City....True Football club,with true football fans.....shit on the villa...!
 
worsleyweb said:
Good post fella - good club villa. No problem with you at all although collymore is a bit of a tit. You have decent support.
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He's a bigger tit than the ones he used to see when he went dogging. He only tweets things to get a reaction, and it works.

For the record we're averaging 35,000 in the league which I think is decent considering we've won one home game all season, we're watching probably the worst team in our history and we're relegated by January. It will be interesting to see which way it goes for the rest of the season; people turn up and 'enjoy' being in the Premier League for the last few months (we won't come straight back up either) or people stay away in protest at Lerner and the team. I think the crowds will drop off personally unless we go down with a bit of fight.
 
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