Schalke post match thread

[Bluearmy]

Interesting to see Peps views on the decisions.

He says both were penalties.

I have to agree with him in the respect that Fernadinho did commit a foul and the decision was correct. The fact you see similar not given countless times is part of the reason VAR is needed.

The first one is more debatable. Firstly I think it should have been a penalty and the rules should be altered to clarify such in the event of a ball hitting an arm or hand when a shot is on target a penalty should be given. As the current rules stand it was in my view harsh and once again you will often see them not given. The yellow card for such a penalty is harsh in the extreme and of course leaves a player somewhat unjustly a mistake away from a red card as illustrated last night.

There would have been hell up if those penalties were not given in our favour certainly.

The VAR system needs improving and quickly no question because that last night was farcical and to the onlooker simply made the officials look stupid.

Peps remarks on us not being ready for the latter stages surely refer to the fact we are still prone to give poor goals away and the Fernandinho penalty was poor on his part, and the fact that we should have gone there last night and killed the tie off stone dead. As it happens whilst it would take a brave man to bet on Schalke progressing you cannot say the tie is quite done and dusted.

All in all it was not a great performance against a distinctly average side. Infact bordering on a poor performance. Of course what is encouraging is that to win leagues and cups you generally have to be able to summon up a win even when you have a stinker and City did that last night. Had that performance come against one of the main contenders you have to think could we have done the same and would we still be in the tie, perhaps those are along the lines of what Peps thoughts are on the current state of play.

Hell to pay you say. You only have to go back one whole game to Newport to see us not get a pen for the same thing...!!!

 

[mosssideblue]

Was very disappointed in De Bruyne, at times he looked like he just wasn't with the pace of the game and was strolling around. There was a moment where he lost the ball and just lightly jogged back which is not what we've come to expect from him.
Have no issues with either of the VAR decisions, if you apply the letter of the law then they're probably given and that's all you can do as a VAR, but the fact it didn't work at pitchside and it took so long needs urgently looking into IMO.
On the whole, to comeback from 2-1 down and with 10 men (brainless from Otamendi!) shows some metal, but we need to learn from it as we won't be allowed that luxury against a better side.

So Kev is afforded more game time to get back to his best yet Ota was brainless - double standards there bud

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Yet the 3 ex-pros on ESPN FC (who are all usually very supportive of City) think it was a penalty:



As did Olly Holt (who again is always very pro-City) whilst Martin Samuel says you see some given and some not.

I think it's fair to say that it's in the eye of the beholder.

But that's exactly the point - on field decisions should only be over-ruled for a clear and obvious error. No way is that the case here (even if you personally think it was deliberate handball). The fact that pundits, refs, journalists and fans are split over this bears that out. Dreadful decision to overrule. And that's not to mention breaking their own VAR protocol re the ref making the final decision after a pitchside review.

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

VAR is there to prevent clear and obvious errors being commited. The first pen was in no way clear or obvious given that pundits and fans are split over it. That being the case, VAR quite rightly should have had a ganders at it but stuck with the original decision to award a corner due to the absolute fact it was neither clear or obvious.

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

Gritty performance by City - down 1-2 and a man, 10 v. 11 - away - we still managed to win.
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Video review was off - took forever on the Otters penalty - apparently there was an equipment failure -which prevented the ref from seeing the replay.

The handball rule - as written - is 100% not the way hand balls are called - Otters did his best to move his hand out of the way - unintentional hand ball. But refs call these sorts of incidents fouls - so yes, I think it's a foul - by prevailing enforcement of the rule. The rule in the books needs to be changed though.

Also agree with the yellow for Otters given the penalty award.
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Then Fernandinho fouled - someone - Sane? - somewhat harsh I thought at first - but it looks as if Fernandinho both held Sane slightly in the box - this happens all the time so I don't think that the hold is a foul - but then he additionally seems to accidentally trip Sane - so I'm OK with the penalty award there.
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The 2nd yellow on Otters is very harsh - yes, it's a foul, yes it's a yellow - but a second yellow? I think that the ref should have cautioned Otters verbally and warned him that that's it - any further infraction and you're off.

Another unwritten "rule" of the game is that refs mostly try not to send men off - as doing so usually decides the game. I thought that the 2nd yellow on Otters was harsh in this context.
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Other thoughts...

Did Edderson get an assist for our 3rd goal? He deserves one for that - penalty box kick from our side to a Sterling nearly in their box - pinpoint - amazing.
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We were unlucky/unfortunate to see 2 penalties awarded against us - and I thought that we shouldn't have been reduced to 10 men.

That we won - and moreover that we won away - speaks volumes to the character/drive of our side.

 

[chesterguy]

Yet the 3 ex-pros on ESPN FC (who are all usually very supportive of City) think it was a penalty:



As did Olly Holt (who again is always very pro-City) whilst Martin Samuel says you see some given and some not.

I think it's fair to say that it's in the eye of the beholder.

And here is the problem UEFA's own rules state that things like offsides, in/out of the box over the line or not can be adjudicated by VAR however subjective decisions such as handball cannot and its up to the referee on the pitch to make such decisions. There are no rules for what should happen if the monitor is broken which I believe has never happened in Germany before despite VAR being introduced over 2 years ago odd dont you think that they just made up the rules on the night

Now I am not the only one to think this but there are calls for non Spanish referees to ref our future matches as City have a history with Spanish refs and one cannot forget the issue of Catalonia

 

[SWP's back]

But that's exactly the point - on field decisions should only be over-ruled for a clear and obvious error. No way is that the case here (even if you personally think it was deliberate handball). The fact that pundits, refs, journalists and fans are split over this bears that out. Dreadful decision to overrule. And that's not to mention breaking their own VAR protocol re the ref making the final decision after a pitchside review.

Yeah I don't understand why he was overruled (if that is what happened). In the absence of a working screen for him to use, then it would appear that he should have stuck to his original decision. Have UEFA released a statement on that yet?

As you say, I have no issue with the final decision because I said I thought it was a penalty straight away, but I am not sure I am comfortable with the process of arriving at that decision having later brushed up on the rules of VAR.

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

But that's exactly the point - on field decisions should only be over-ruled for a clear and obvious error. No way is that the case here (even if you personally think it was deliberate handball). The fact that pundits, refs, journalists and fans are split over this bears that out. Dreadful decision to overrule. And that's not to mention breaking their own VAR protocol re the ref making the final decision after a pitchside review.

It's my understanding that the on-field ref cannot be overruled under current VAR rules. He has the final say in all matters.

 

[TCIB]

We showed total belief in ourselves. Something that can't be bought, only earned the hard way. Very proud of the team and how they did not let their chins drop.

We get a lot of grief but one thing we can't be accused of is bottling it. Our recent history shows we have plenty of guts and determination. More importantly, genuine belief in our selves.

 

[doots]

10 v 12
3-2 City suck a fat one uefa