Schalke post match thread

[CityInWashingtonState]

What a pile of shit, so you think because refs give them as penalties whilst ignoring the rulebook that is somehow ok and enough to convince you it is a pen, on the 2nd penalty you blatantly forget both of their players were offside and making an attempt to get the ball.

The referee did not have a monitor to look at so in fact he should not have been allowed to change his mind as he has to do an on the pitch review via the monitor for that.

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Take it easy mate. The "What a pile of shit" rhetoric means that you're not receptive to debate and that you are simply voicing an emotional bias - regardless of the truth of the matter.
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With regard to the Otters handball - I'd call that a penalty - not by the rules of the game as they are in the book- but rather on president - that sort of handball, deliberate or not, is usually called. What needs to happen is that either the rules of the game need to be updated (I don't favor this as refs would then be left having to judge what the intent of the player committing the handball was - deliberate? - accidental? - who knows? - with language such as arm in an unnatural position - arm contacting a ball heading towards goal... and so forth).

On the 2nd penalty - I don't honestly know what takes presidence - offsides or the foul. An offside player not attempting to interfere with play isn't called offside - moreover, should a defender contact the ball, such player is then onside. Posters on this forum with more knowledge of the game than I have are satisfied that Fernadinho did commit a penalty regardless of the offside rule.

I'm OK with that.
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The only area of referring that I strongly disagree with is Otters 2nd yellow - yes, it's a foul, yes it's a yellow - but it's a very harsh 2nd yellow - often players committing a soft foul like this without breaking up play and without endangering the opponent are simply warned.

 

[Gabriel]

Not prone to singling out players for criticism, but in this case I think it only fair: just what on earth was the Schalke goalkeeper doing for the final goal? :-)

 

[cleavers]

It's my understanding that the on-field ref cannot be overruled under current VAR rules. He has the final say in all matters.

Depends who's version you are using, FIFA, UEFA, UEFA light (last night), or our own FA (who's varies from game to game).

Therein lies part of the problem, a big problem, as it stands its at best confused, and at worst potentially corrupt.

Its bad for the fan, but we've just had a discussion at work about those that gamble on football, who may win (or more likely lose) on decisions made in a booth, where nobody can verify why.

 

[mosssideblue]

Maybe mate, but as i pointed out earlier on, it's been a much more regular occurrence (bar last season) for Ota than it has for De Bruyne. But obviously they have different roles so there are different pressures involved, but the clever defender just doesn't do what he did there when on a yellow.

Ota was our best CB last season and has hardly featured this one. I find it strange that he cops so much shit for last night yet, others who are not perfect is put down to getting up to speed

 

[The perfect fumble]

Leroy needs your vote....

https://gotw.uefa.com/#/en/

 

[SWP's back]

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is 'Never a penalty in a million years' (e.g. Sterling v Shakhtar) and 10 is 'Absolutely nailed-on', last night's were both maybe a 5.

But thinking about it, if we're demanding that Boly's goal at Wolves should be ruled out because, intentional or otherwise, it went in off his hand/arm (and I think that's the correct view) then are we being inconsistent if we say that a goal-bound shot hitting a defender's hand or arm isn't handball, regardless of intent?

That's an excellent point I wish I has made last night.

From what I gather, next season, the penalty would stand and be unequivocal and Bony's would be ruled out under the coming IFAB guidelines on "accidental handball effecting goals/goal bound shots".

 

[UUJblue]

https://www.mancity.com/news/club-n...ary/man-city-schalke-fan-call-for-information

flip not sure if mentioned in this thread. Anyone see this?

 

[aguero93:20]

Not prone to singling out players for criticism, but in this case I think it only fair: just what on earth was the Schalke goalkeeper doing for the final goal? :-)

I think Raz took him by surprise with the early half volley, didn't look like he had his angles wrong, just that he hadn't gotten himself set.

 

[SWP's back]

I think Raz took him by surprise with the early half volley, didn't look like he had his angles wrong, just that he hadn't gotten himself set.

Mate! He was far too far over to his left, he was nearly covering the corner flag.

 

[hello]

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is 'Never a penalty in a million years' (e.g. Sterling v Shakhtar) and 10 is 'Absolutely nailed-on', last night's were both maybe a 5.

But thinking about it, if we're demanding that Boly's goal at Wolves should be ruled out because, intentional or otherwise, it went in off his hand/arm (and I think that's the correct view) then are we being inconsistent if we say that a goal-bound shot hitting a defender's hand or arm isn't handball, regardless of intent?

I'ld agree with this assessment/quantification both pens certainly in a non VAR game I would accept as 50/50 5/10 type calls.

1st penalty was given as a corner and can only be overrule by the ref himself after first checking with VAR for confirmation he might of made a mistake and then reviewing his original decision on screen if a clear and obvious mistake has been made he can revert his original decision. therefore where the fuck did the 4 minutes of total we're going to throw away the rules and make some bullshit up come from.

2nd Pen can accept the soft foul and in a non VAR game fine unlucky as those usually aren't given and certainly wouldn't be at the other end, but get on with it, but as 2 players offside and challenging the keeper for the ball, how the fuck is this missed by VAR?

The handball guide\rules are too open to interpretation\abuse, I think given that most refs are shit that simplifying the rule for them so if it hits the arm/hand its a free kick\pen regardless and the deliberate\accidental unavoidable elements should just be used to determine booking\red card. I think this would create more consistency which after all is all we want. Most of us dont give a shit about the actual rules but just want consistency throughout the season.