School kids protest climate change

[Ban-jani]

I don't understand why these kids are getting grief for trying to make a positive change. Because some of them got there in a car they can't protest about climate change? Are they only allowed to protest if they march in recycled flip flops?

It’s the establishment right that have a problem and their gammon friends in the public.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

No, I know fuck all about them on an individual basis so I'm trying not to make gigantic general assumptions about them.

Not sure its a gigantic general assumption to say that the children of today like using phones and computers and having the comfort of cars, TVs, air travel etc. Pretty much a given I would have thought

 

[happyman]

The environment is very very important of course but are we genuinely going to change? All we hear from adults is how we need to earn more money on a national level and all we hear from kids is what next best electronic thing they can own, and of course walking anywhere is out of the question.
Personally I would love to revert back to villages and eating locally grown food but that isn't possible without a population drop of biblical proportions, we are where we are and we're going to use resources until there's little or nowt left and that means even the people protesting today when the novelty of protest wears off and the new iphone comes out. It's admirable that they want to make a difference but just like Jonny Rotten they'll be selling the metaphorical butter when the moneyman comes calling.

 

[Sean85]

It’s the establishment right that have a problem and their gammon friends in the public.

What logical reason could they or anyone have for criticising these kids for exercising their democratic rights? It's not these old farts who'll have to live with the consequences though so they probably just don't care, if that's the case I'd rather they just came out and said it

 

[Sean85]

Not sure its a gigantic general assumption to say that the children of today like using phones and computers and having the comfort of cars, TVs, air travel etc. Pretty much a given I would have thought

Does that mean they can't protest against climate change?

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Does that mean they can't protest against climate change?

Not at all. It may just help if they did something about it themselves.

 

[Ban-jani]

What logical reason could they or anyone have for criticising these kids for exercising their democratic rights? It's not these old farts who'll have to live with the consequences though so they probably just don't care, if that's the case I'd rather they just came out and said it

They don’t deal in logic, they just live their lives in their bubble of convenience.

Warnock summed how these cretins think “to hell with the rest of the world” he said.

 

[Sean85]

Not at all. It may just help if they did something about it themselves.

Like highlighting their concerns to the people in a position to do something about it?

 

[Sean85]

They don’t deal in logic, they just live their lives in their bubble of convenience.

Warnock summed how these cretins think “to hell with the rest of the world” he said.

True, as long as they're alright/ don't lose face they don't care. It's a game to them, it's sad really

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Like highlighting their concerns to the people in a position to do something about it?

No, like coming off their gadgets.

 

[Sean85]

No, like coming off their gadgets.

So it's ok to pump toxic fumes into the atmosphere , drop bombs all over the place and do irreparable damage to the ozone layer, but let's all have a go at some teenagers for using their mobile phones and not let them have a say until they stop. Unbelievable

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

So it's ok to pump toxic fumes into the atmosphere , drop bombs all over the place and do irreparable damage to the ozone layer, but let's all have a go at some teenagers for using their mobile phones and not let them have a say until they stop. Unbelievable

Of course is isn't OK. No-one is saying it is. But griping about it whilst pumping toxins out using your mobiles to constantly gripe about it is more than a bit daft isn't it ?

 

[Ban-jani]

Of course is isn't OK. No-one is saying it is. But griping about it whilst pumping toxins out using your mobiles to constantly gripe about it is more than a bit daft isn't it ?

Do you expect everyone concerned with climate change to live in a bush?

 

[Sean85]

Of course is isn't OK. No-one is saying it is. But griping about it whilst pumping toxins out using your mobiles to constantly gripe about it is more than a bit daft isn't it ?

Not really no. How would you like them to "gripe" about it out of curiosity?

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Do you expect everyone concerned with climate change to live in a bush?

No. I just want people who lecture me about it to create less environmental damage than me.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Not really no. How would you like them to "gripe" about it out of curiosity?

I would like them to gripe about it from a position of creating less toxins than me.

 

[Ban-jani]

No. I just want people who lecture me about it to create less environmental damage than me.

Who’s lecturing you about it? The whole point is to lecture the government, not you.

No one is coming around to your house and unplugging your tele ffs.

 

[Sean85]

I would like them to gripe about it from a position of creating less toxins than me.

That's a bit vague but ok. They're not griping about it to you though are they, they're griping as you put it to government who produce/ are in a position to reduce said toxins

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Who’s lecturing you about it? The whole point is to lecture the government, not you.

No one is coming around to your house and unplugging your tele ffs.

My point is the young people in the country, with their gadgets and addiction to modern day living are in no position to lecture anyone, until they change their own way of life

 

[FlemishDuck]

The environment is very very important of course but are we genuinely going to change? All we hear from adults is how we need to earn more money on a national level and all we hear from kids is what next best electronic thing they can own, and of course walking anywhere is out of the question.
Personally I would love to revert back to villages and eating locally grown food but that isn't possible without a population drop of biblical proportions, we are where we are and we're going to use resources until there's little or nowt left and that means even the people protesting today when the novelty of protest wears off and the new iphone comes out. It's admirable that they want to make a difference but just like Jonny Rotten they'll be selling the metaphorical butter when the moneyman comes calling.

We can genuinely change withought even nessecarily needing to give in on wealth if we start to use our resources in truly the most optimal way trough the most effecient economic design possible, which imho is a matter of design trough engineering and knowledge of many other antropologicly relevant factors. and yet this is also somethign that has been known for a long time, indeed even Thorstein Veblen saw the inherit engineering fault with the consumerist economy when it just started to develop after world wars had pushed industrial technoligy to actually pretty rediculous output potential capacity already. And in more recent decades the Zeitgeist movement has done a lot to raise awareness about the key issues. And let me refer then to Peter Joseph for a good explenation as i know he would do it rather well and on the points that i would tend to support.