west didsblue said:
ayrshire_blue said:
It's not just the Tories. Milliband and Balls are nobetter and Johanna Lamont, the face of the supposedly Scottish Labour party are no better. I pretty much share Russell Brand's widely publicized views on Politics as a whole these days.
Boyblue I completely disagree that 90% of people voting yes don't know what they're voting for. Most of the yes voters I've spoken to all have valid genuine reasons.
16 and 17 year olds are going to be the future of any independent country. They've reached an age where they are mature enough (for the majority) to be trusted to make a decision they feel will benefit them in the future. I don't see the problem in them having a say. A lot of them will currently be studying topics such as Modern Studies in school and are potentially better informed of the situation than those over the age of 18.
I'm still undecided as yet, btw, but there are good arguments on both sides and I'm not a fan of those in the yes camp who think those in the no camp don't know what they're doing and vice versa.
If you share Brand's views I presume you won't be voting then.
-- Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:52 pm --
Kun Aguero said:
Because there badly fascist.
Who is?
If there was a general election tomorrow I wouldn't be voting, no. However the independence vote is completely different and has the potential to be either extremely positive or damaging so once I've made my decision I will be voting on that.
BoyBlue_1985 said:
ayrshire_blue said:
dawlish dave said:
Fully understand your dislike of the Tories but just hope your not going to vote just to get rid of them I would feel the same if the home counties down here demanded a vote to dump the rest of the UK just so they would never see the left in power again.
By the way did not the Conservative and Unionist Party hold the most seats in Scotland 30 or so years ago as Gerry Adams said about another organisation "they have not gone away you know".
Hope you stay.
It's not just the Tories. Milliband and Balls are nobetter and Johanna Lamont, the face of the supposedly Scottish Labour party are no better. I pretty much share Russell Brand's widely publicized views on Politics as a whole these days.
Boyblue I completely disagree that 90% of people voting yes don't know what they're voting for. Most of the yes voters I've spoken to all have valid genuine reasons.
16 and 17 year olds are going to be the future of any independent country. They've reached an age where they are mature enough (for the majority) to be trusted to make a decision they feel will benefit them in the future. I don't see the problem in them having a say. A lot of them will currently be studying topics such as Modern Studies in school and are potentially better informed of the situation than those over the age of 18.
I'm still undecided as yet, btw, but there are good arguments on both sides and I'm not a fan of those in the yes camp who think those in the no camp don't know what they're doing and vice versa.
I would like to hear them mate. Like I said im just sorry that its Salmond leading you in to this vote because he makes George Osbourne seem economically smart
I've copied and pasted this post from someone elsewhere. I've not made my decision yet so they're not my reasons, but there's not much in there to disagree with;
"If the English peoples really knew about what goes on in Scotland they would not be so quick to condemn Scottish Independence. There are of course many reasons that they want Scots to stay in the Union, however, there is a lack of what is actually good for Scots.
Scots have been constantly been considered as benefit junkies and the like, and are heavily subsidised by Westminster.
Figure now prove, it is certainly NOT the case, Scots pay more than their share of tax revenues and actually get less back.
We should be a rich country, we are not, we have ever more poor roads, and generally poor infrastructure.
In an Independent country this will be a priority to be addressed, it is not going to happen within the Union, who are content in keeping Scots down.
Taxes from our shoreline go to Westminster unlike other parts of the UK.
We also have many area's that would shine more with Independence, more exports, more agriculture, more renewable energy, more fishing industry. It goes on.
We would no longer have our soldiers die in illegal wars.
We no longer would have Trident within 30 miles of our major population and city of Glasgow. Note Westminster does not want Trident down there, but as usual it is ok if Scots are at risk.
So, no, Scots are not too wee, not too weak, nor too stupid. Independence will lead to a Scotland the rUK can learn from.
There is no doubt that we also seek to be close friends with our neighbours, any bad feeling in Scotland is directed at Westminster politicians not the peoples of England, Wales or N. Ireland.
However, the right to form our own future is undeniable, and it is something the doubters should think of. It is called democracy, something that is becoming more desirable to everyone in the Uk, if not Westminster"
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