Bodicoteblue said:How are you you going to attract inward investment ?
You are not going to get membership of the EU ( you will be vetoed by Spain for one because they don't want to see Catalans and Basques getting recognised if they try to go independent , with a precedent set by Scotland)
If you are not in the EU , why would any multinational invest in Scotland , when border controls and trade tariffs would cost them money , which would not be necessary with an EU member.
The global economic powers that provide jobs and prosperity , want free trade and unrestricted access to European markets , an isolated Scotland, and the same for England ( those who would support UKIP should think on) would hinder those objectives and the Americans , Chinese , Japanese , and European companies would simply up sticks and move to countries who are part of a huge integrated trading block , with all the benefits that go with it.
stony said:sd92 said:After reading a few posts on this thread I feel absolutely astounded at the responses.
Firstly, I find it utterly deplorable and laughable the amount of sheer ignorance toward the facts here.
Some saying we would not be able to afford it cause we benefit from being in the union. My my. We pay more in taxes than you do per person. We put into the uk system more than we recieve back.
The thing is, I don't expect any of you who have said these things to realise the magnitude of what you're saying. I don't expect that you's have done any research.
Scotland has a fantastic opportunity to go it alone. There was one more level headed poster that commented on you guys being under more tory rule if we left.
Did you know if you took our, the Scottish vote, out of the last 18 UK elections, 4 would have changed. That's right. Four. Out of eighteen. Generally we do not get who we vote for.
We are in a fantastic place to project ourselves right now. We want to take our oil money and put it in a big pot and keep it for a rainy day. A certain mr darling said it would be downright selfish of us to keep the oil money.
How to express what a whole campaign is all about in one sentence.
We have the chance to go it ourselves. Everyone of the financial experts reckon we can do it. Hell, even the leader of BT says we can.
I invite you guys to look farrrrr beyond what the MSM is saying to us. And you guys. Go Into it in more depth.
We can rid ourselves of the 4th most unequal developed country in the world, we can rid ourselves of the levels of poverty, we can rid ourselves of the privatisation of massive national companies, Royal Mail anyone? Parts of the NHS anyone? We can rid ourselves of Tory rule. We can rid ourselves of education fees.
You ask yourselves this, if you could fund yourselves whilst saving more than £200BN for a rainy day and be part of a prosperous country would you not take it? Sure there are risks. Of course there are, but there is south potential in this small country.
Vote yes in September, all the guys in Scotland. Do the right thing.
You question the reasoning of people who have argued against the break up of the union, but in response all you can muster is a rambling reply based entirely on emotion and Scottish pride. You sound like just the sort of jingoistic idiot that the SNP are counting on.
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dazdon said:But he probably knows that but still wanted a Braveheart moment before Scotland is yet again consigned to be just another region of Britain ;-)
William Wallace(Braveheart) their national hero was a paedophile. Not just a paedophile, but the worst sort of paedophile, a Scottish paedophile. Coming at you from a bothy, with shortbread on his face, muttering in an incomprehensible dialect.
sd92 said:Bodicoteblue said:How are you you going to attract inward investment ?
You are not going to get membership of the EU ( you will be vetoed by Spain for one because they don't want to see Catalans and Basques getting recognised if they try to go independent , with a precedent set by Scotland)
If you are not in the EU , why would any multinational invest in Scotland , when border controls and trade tariffs would cost them money , which would not be necessary with an EU member.
The global economic powers that provide jobs and prosperity , want free trade and unrestricted access to European markets , an isolated Scotland, and the same for England ( those who would support UKIP should think on) would hinder those objectives and the Americans , Chinese , Japanese , and European companies would simply up sticks and move to countries who are part of a huge integrated trading block , with all the benefits that go with it.
Where are the human rights in denying eu members the chance to retain their member status?
All you say is correct, but the fact is the chances are extremely high we will be allowed back Into the eu.
Even if we are not. And we don't go independent it is my understanding the uk is to have a referendum on the eu status?
dazdon said:The SNP and of course Westminster have put so much spin on their campaigns that the voters really don't have a clue which way to turn do they?
Will Scotland keep the pound?
Will Scotland be allowed into the EU?
What level of national debt will an independent Scotland take on?
Which passport will the Scottish choose to have or will there be automatic dual nationality?
What I don't get about all of this is if the Scots keep the pound retain their UK passports and still have the Queen as their head of state as well as membership of the EU........what's the real difference between what they have now and after a yes vote?
What they will have is yet another tier of government whilst being tied by land and by the monetary system to a union that they wanted out of.
What happens to the millions of Scottish people who live in the rest of the UK who aren't allowed to vote in the referendum?
>Confused and befuddled from Manchester>
dazdon said:The SNP and of course Westminster have put so much spin on their campaigns that the voters really don't have a clue which way to turn do they?
Will Scotland keep the pound?
Will Scotland be allowed into the EU?
What level of national debt will an independent Scotland take on?
Which passport will the Scottish choose to have or will there be automatic dual nationality?
What I don't get about all of this is if the Scots keep the pound retain their UK passports and still have the Queen as their head of state as well as membership of the EU........what's the real difference between what they have now and after a yes vote?
What they will have is yet another tier of government whilst being tied by land and by the monetary system to a union that they wanted out of.
What happens to the millions of Scottish people who live in the rest of the UK who aren't allowed to vote in the referendum?
>Confused and befuddled from Manchester>
Not got the time to watch all of that as I'm off to the game, but I'll give it a listen later.Skashion said:To anyone who wants a traditional left-wing view on opposing the break up of the union, I think Galloway does an excellent job (it's worth skipping the first five minutes or so though because he has to bat off a few personal attacks first):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igtsuT1MIUk[/youtube]
I disagree that we'd live in a perpetually tory Scotland-less United Kingdom, but unquestionably it would would be more right-wing so his points still hit home strongly.
He does make some good points you are correct.Skashion said:To anyone who wants a traditional left-wing view on opposing the break up of the union, I think Galloway does an excellent job (it's worth skipping the first five minutes or so though because he has to bat off a few personal attacks first):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igtsuT1MIUk[/youtube]
I disagree that we'd live in a perpetually tory Scotland-less United Kingdom, but unquestionably it would would be more right-wing so his points still hit home strongly.