Scotlands new Hate speech/crime bill.

[PannickAtTheDisco]

All this and more was said about the Sex Discrimination Act, Racial Discrimination Act, in fact any Act where legal protections are brought in for a group or class of people.

Increase Minimum Wage. Unemployment will rise.
Reduce hours in the working week. Increase costs on Business.
Paternity Leave for fathers. Ditto.
Legalising homosexuality. All our kids will be gay.
Gay Marriage. What next? The right to marry your dog?

Every time. Without fail.

Each legislation should be discussed on its own merit. Whilst some will oppose anything and everything, they vary in numbers on each but it shouldn't take away from a genuine discussion.

I feel there is a missing provision in this legislation but feel it will be amended in due course as it's been widely acknowledged it has an unintended consequence in trying to serve the wider good.

 

[Coatigan]

You’re not wrong but eventually there will be legislation that will go too far and are you going to be willing to draw the line?

When even your own supporters are criticising the legislation, you know it’s bad.

Rome wasn't built in a day. And in all dystopian futuristic depictions i've come across, neither have such imaginary societies.

The fact ao many are allowed to criticize this, perhaps means it isn't as much of an abuse of the rights to do so as is made out.

 

[Ban-jani]

Rome wasn't built in a day. And in all dystopian futuristic depictions i've come across, neither have such imaginary societies.

The fact ao many are allowed to criticize this, perhaps means it isn't as much of an abuse of the rights to do so as is made out.

Well criticism of legislation will never fall under hate speech.

Rome wasn’t built in a day but our current laws are Rome in that analogy and I do not think we need to go any more authoritarian.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well criticism of legislation will never fall under hate speech.

Rome wasn’t built in a day but our current laws are Rome in that analogy and I do not think we need to go any more authoritarian.

Says the man who demands ‘all right thinking people should condemn this legislation’ without anyone actually reading it.

Oy vey.

 

[Coatigan]

Well criticism of legislation will never fall under hate speech.

Rome wasn’t built in a day but our current laws are Rome in that analogy and I do not think we need to go any more authoritarian.

Yes i was very much including both sides of that reference, in essence supporting your point. We agree there is a line. I just don't yet think this is it.

 

[Ban-jani]

Says the man who demands ‘all right thinking people should condemn this legislation’ without anyone actually reading it.

Oy vey.

I’m not demanding it haha.

The word should can mean several things.

They should when they read it, I’m sure it’ll be U-turned.

 

[Coatigan]

First paragraph that’s true, I just feel uneasy about putting in legislation that can be abused by an unreasonable leadership in future.

If I racially abuse you and harass you, that’s a crime as it stands and should be, carrying a book of whatever sort, even Mein Kampf, shouldn’t be illegal, that’s over the line.

Agree on both. Btw, I have experienced societies you describe/imagine above. Those measures were neither incremental nor soft. So trust me i don't dismiss or take lightly negative outcomes. I just think people have jumped the gun a bit, and raced off.
Without repeating myself, the specifics will come.

 

[blueinsa]

Its weird how some of the most vocal on here about their freedoms and rights are happy to see them legislated away at times, again if it suits politically.

Now i know many will jump on this and scream "you just want people to be able to say racist things etc" but 1, no I don't and 2, we already legislate to stop anyone saying racist things and rightly so.

This on the face of it seems to be unnecessary and as i said before i think once the cases start to be brought and can be seen for the stupidity that surrounds them with the emphasis on that attack of freedom of speech and expression, it will be binned off.

 

[Coatigan]

I dare wager it hitting the height of irony when a high profile snp member says/does something stupid and gets done under the legislation they brought in.

 

[urban genie]

I don't get the outrage.

As I have no intention of committing crime based on prejudice (or any for that matter, but for the sake of the context of this thread), I don't have a problem with it. Nor do I feel it in any way impacts freedom of speech.

It deals with behaviour that is BOTH criminal and prejudicial. And from what i can see what is already covered in the equality act.

Admittedly haven't read all the detail, and i could yet change my mind once clearer on the specifics. But i doubt the knee jerk hysteria lot have read any more, if any, of it.

It has been in the pipeline for years, so i find it laughable that it would have anything to do with salmond.



As an aside, (i really wanted to avoid linking the two, but it is relevant) with us leaving the EU and with that all the rights protected by default, with the absence of a constitution in the UK, and the Tories pledge to abolish the human rights bill, I can only take it as a positive layer, if not as extensive.

Not sure if correct, but I think the best example I saw was ssomeone using the fringe with the example of the league of gemtlemen and their 97 award winning show which featured barbara in a sketch, under this new law (if the show was now)if someone had reported the charactor as transphobic to the police then they could be arrested and charged.