Scottish flags at COMS...

[felixbg]

hold on a minute glasgow blue ... how did you get a ticket for OT last season ?!?!?!? are you a season ticket holder?

 

[Glasgow Man City]

hold on a minute glasgow blue ... how did you get a ticket for OT last season ?!?!?!? are you a season ticket holder?

No, I'm not - but one of my mates from Manchester is and goes everywhere and offered me his ticket because he decided on the week of the game he never fancied it due to the anniversary and us never winning there etc. Just trying to convince him I'm a lucky omen so should get his ticket for this year as well.

 

[bluemanc]

The big reason for the Irish flag is because of Stevie. Didnt see any tricolours before this for a while but I have seen an NI flag with a Rangers logo on it which confused me..

That is exactly what we don't want to see at COMS, there are no mitigating circumstances, no ifs or buts.

Any flag with another clubs emblem embossed across it doesn't belong at COMS (unless of course it was in the away end!), could you imagine seeing an Arsenal flag proudly adjourning the North Stand?!

Anyone who brings a N I flag with a Rangers emblem embossed across the front, to any football ground other than Ibrox is only attempting to achieve one thing.

Now I know this is a sensitive subject, yet how can all but a handful of posters ignore the real issue of debate here?

It isn't on, they are the sort of incidents I was originally attempting to highlight and discuss. I accept that I didn't make myself very clear, however now that has been cleared up can we discuss the real issue here?

The whole Scottish debate was wrong and wasn't what was intended to be discussed, all it did was conceal the real issue.

To late sunshine,you are what you are accusing others of being,NFT.

 

[Ian]

Why?

I saw a few today, which I had not noticed before...

We have no Scottish players in the first team, and thus have little or no reason to have any association with Scotland, so why are these bigots trying to associate themselves with our religion-free club?

They tried their best to tag along when we played Celtic in a pre season friendly at Celtic Park.

Why do these people try and associate themselves with us?

The sectarian nonsense that they bring is a crippling disease which we need to steer clear of. And pardon my ignorance, but I thought the Scottish hated the English, well that's certainly the general consensus isn't it?

We are a religion-free club, and always have been. Please take your disease elsewhere.








EDIT:

Just one look at all these responses and it's not hard to tell that I've been misinterpreted.

First of all, the "crippling disease" comment was referring to the religious and parochial nonsense that was displayed when we played at Celtic Park, not Scottish men or women, how anyone could think that is what I meant is beyond me...

I accept that making the link between a few Scottish flags and religious bigots was wrong, and well slightly naive. And for this I am sorry. I also know that we have Scottish fans, and for some bizarre reason the majority of people who have replied on this thread seem to think I hate the Scottish and don't want them anywhere near our football club.

You couldn't be more wrong, or ignorant. A large proportion of my family lives in Scotland, I have friends who are Scottish, friends that I have taken to COMS in the days of Kevin Keegan. I have no problem with us having Scottish fans, why would I? If I did I would have to go and find another club to support! The connection I was making was to the affect waterfootblues has done below...

I was at the Celtic match and when I got in the atmoshere between the two sets of fans was friendly and there was good banter between the fans. Now I am a Manc who lives in Glasgow and my wife is a Glaswegian.

Three guys turned up and unfurled the Glasgow Man City Saltire. I thought this was amazing and joined in with them holding the flag. It soon became apparrent though that these guys had an agenda and it was more to do with hatred towards the Celtic, Catholics and the Irish and some of the sectarian abuse they were singing and trying to get others to join in with was a disgrace.

I loved the Glasgow Man City flag but not the biggots who own that flag. They are a cancer in Scottish football and their extreme views are not welcome at our fantastic football club.

My only team is Man City and I dont bother with Celtic or Rangers and I have no agenda.

The more flags at COMS the better, just leave all the sectarian behaviour behind.

I have made contact with a few blues while I have been up here and some of them are trying to get a Man City supporters club up and running (no supporters club in Glasgow) to cover the West Coast.

That is the point I was attemting to make, although clearly I failed, and my point became more about the Scottish than religious sectarianism, which wasn't intended.

My original post was referring to the sectarianism that a small minority of Scottish fans bring, as they usually support either Rangers or Celtic aswell as an English side, and some of them want the whole world to know this, which I don't agree with as it creates divisions among fans.

My original post was aimed at the people who have an agenda, not Scottish fans in general, an example I made was the bigots who tagged along when we played Celtic.

Why was this conveniently avoided by everyone who attacked me?

It was a valid point and it did infact happen. An event I used as an example which was conveniently dismissed by all but one poster.

Why did everyone seek to personally attack me when they know absolutely nothing about me, my beliefs, my faith, or my character?

I am sorry that I have offended some posters, that was not my intention, I hope this post has cleared a few things up.

If you remain offended despite everything I have just said, then you are probably one of the people who dragged the name of Manchester City through the mud at Celtic Park, and thus I have no sympathy for you, and still wish you would take your crippling disease elsewhere.

Your first paragrath described the owners of those Scottish flags as "bigots" you called them this without knowing anything about them and that was completely out of order. You also quoted, "why did everyone seek to personally attack me when you know absolutley nothing about me, my beliefs, my faith or my character" Well my friend you did exactly that to those blues who did nothing more than fly the flag from where they originate from. You are a comlete tosser, and as a blue with a scottish father, I am proud to have the scottish flag tattood on my arm. Does that make me a bigot??

 

[*singingtheblues*]

That is exactly what we don't want to see at COMS, there are no mitigating circumstances, no ifs or buts.

Any flag with another clubs emblem embossed across it doesn't belong at COMS (unless of course it was in the away end!), could you imagine seeing an Arsenal flag proudly adjourning the North Stand?!

Anyone who brings a N I flag with a Rangers emblem embossed across the front, to any football ground other than Ibrox is only attempting to achieve one thing.

Now I know this is a sensitive subject, yet how can all but a handful of posters ignore the real issue of debate here?

It isn't on, they are the sort of incidents I was originally attempting to highlight and discuss. I accept that I didn't make myself very clear, however now that has been cleared up can we discuss the real issue here?

The whole Scottish debate was wrong and wasn't what was intended to be discussed, all it did was conceal the real issue.

To late sunshine,you are what you are accusing others of being,NFT.

Do you struggle reading coherent, and reasoned posts?

How you can come to the conclusion that I am one of the people I am discussing, especially just after reading some of "Glasgow Man City"'s posts, a man who ticks all the boxes and said himself;

Did I join in with "No Surrender to the IRA" yes and I don't think this is in anyway bigotted, did I try to get people to join in - no.
Did I join in with the famine song, no - but I did laugh and explain it to my cousin's wife who was standing next to me.
Did I join in with "follow, follow", "the sash" or "build my gallows" - possibly once in the first 10 minutes but I'm not sure, did I encourage others to join in - no.

He also said that he was one of the people who had a Scottish flag at COMS on saturday, so when I originally pressumed that the flag belonged to a bigot, I was infact correct.

Now he is one of the minority of Scottish fans who drags his banal agenda along with him, the others are all welcome, I thought I made that clear?

Yet somehow you would rather attempt to belittle me and the credibility of my posts, while at the same time you conveniently overlook "Glasgow Man City"'s posts.

And I'm "what you are accusing others of being"?!?!

I think you need to look in the mirror.

Would you not blink an eye if you heard things like that being chanted at a City match? Personally I would be disgusted, they have no place at football, especially at a club which is free of that parochial nonsense, and for someone to freely admit that he brings that cancerous plague to a club which is all but free of it, and then go all but unquestioned is very harrowing indeed.

Also when you decide return with yet more illogical posts, could care to you tell me what "NFT" means?

In the once famous words of the man who was the epicenter of the L.A. riots in 1992;

"Can't we all just get along?"

Isn't that what we all want?

 

[*singingtheblues*]

Your first paragrath described the owners of those Scottish flags as "bigots" you called them this without knowing anything about them and that was completely out of order. You also quoted, "why did everyone seek to personally attack me when you know absolutley nothing about me, my beliefs, my faith or my character" Well my friend you did exactly that to those blues who did nothing more than fly the flag from where they originate from. You are a comlete tosser, and as a blue with a scottish father, I am proud to have the scottish flag tattood on my arm. Does that make me a bigot??

Look I don't know how I can make this any clearer,

What I said was a blanket statement and it was wrong, it was too broad a statement, and I didn't make myself clear enough.

The connection I was attempting to make was that a minority of our Scottish fans will have an agenda, which as a Scottish fan urself you must be able to admit?

Of course I do not believe that all Scots are bigots, for crying out loud I don't know how I can make that any clearer!

When I saw that flag, I had my doubts regarding the intentions of its owner. Which infact have been proven to be the case, "Glasgow Man City" claims the flag belongs to him and he was one of the minority who dragged the name of our club through the mud at Celtic Park. Yet he didn't see anything wrong with that which just goes to show that (as we all know) that this is a very complicated issue, and some still struggle to see little wrong with singing Sectarian shite at football. - Which is what I was attempting to address.

 

[Glasgow Man City]

Your first paragrath described the owners of those Scottish flags as "bigots" you called them this without knowing anything about them and that was completely out of order. You also quoted, "why did everyone seek to personally attack me when you know absolutley nothing about me, my beliefs, my faith or my character" Well my friend you did exactly that to those blues who did nothing more than fly the flag from where they originate from. You are a comlete tosser, and as a blue with a scottish father, I am proud to have the scottish flag tattood on my arm. Does that make me a bigot??

Look I don't know how I can make this any clearer,

What I said was a blanket statement and it was wrong, it was too broad a statement, and I didn't make myself clear enough.

The connection I was attempting to make was that a minority of our Scottish fans will have an agenda, which as a Scottish fan urself you must be able to admit?

Of course I do not believe that all Scots are bigots, for crying out loud I don't know how I can make that any clearer!

When I saw that flag, I had my doubts regarding the intentions of its owner. Which infact have been proven to be the case, "Glasgow Man City" claims the flag belongs to him and he was one of the minority who dragged the name of our club through the mud at Celtic Park. Yet he didn't see anything wrong with that which just goes to show that (as we all know) that this is a very complicated issue, and some still struggle to see little wrong with singing Sectarian shite at football. - Which is what I was attempting to address.

Please explain where anything of what I have said makes me a bigot

Did I join in with "No Surrender to the IRA" yes and I don't think this is in anyway bigotted, did I try to get people to join in - no.
Did I join in with the famine song, no - but I did laugh and explain it to my cousin's wife who was standing next to me.
Did I join in with "follow, follow", "the sash" or "build my gallows" - possibly once in the first 10 minutes but I'm not sure, did I encourage others to join in - no.

No Surrender.... - clearly sung by the majority of the City end to a group of fans who have outwardly supported a terrorist organisation who have caused carnage in this country, including Manchester. - Not biggoted

The famine song - a complete pisstake of fans who sing songs about the history of the Irish famine and how Irish they are - not of actual Irish fans & certainly not of Catholics - so again not biggoted.

Follow, Follow a Rangers song not biggoted, The Sash - proven in a Scottish court not to be biggotted, Build my Gallows - again not biggoted.

Now none of the above songs/chants are PC, and I don't claim them to be, but I'm sure we've all uttered some non PC stuff at Football in the past.

And for the last 3, as I said I may have joined in with one of then in the first 10 minutes - not right, but not biggotted. If you are going to start slinging mud, I suggest you check your facts.

 

[*singingtheblues*]

Ever get that feeling that no matter what you say or do, you'll just be wasting your time?

 

[Glasgow Man City]

Ever get that feeling that no matter what you say or do, you'll just be wasting your time?

So does that mean that although I've proved you wrong about me being a bigot it makes no differance because you'll continue to think it anyway.

Cheers

 

[*singingtheblues*]

Ever get that feeling that no matter what you say or do, you'll just be wasting your time?

So does that mean that although I've proved you wrong about me being a bigot it makes no differance because you'll continue to think it anyway.

Cheers

All you've done is prove you're more short-sighted than I thought you were.