Scottish independence

[johnnytapia]

If Scotland vote "No" and stay in the UK, any chance England can then have a referendum to get rid of Scotland?

Having said I care not, I am erring on agreeing with you. It is pretty plain that the people north of the border are way more left wing than those south of it. The near bankruptcy brought about by the wreckless and unrepentant over spending of Gordon Wobble Chin is clearly something they aspire to.

I am probably leaning on hoping for a yes vote so we can get shut of them.

You do an awful lot of typing for someone who "doesn't care" and "doesn't give a toss". Go on, release those inner demons and admit it: you secretly envy the Scots and the balls they're showing to the vermin Tories of Westminster. Let. It. Go.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's useful, when feeling impelled to correct others' punctuation, to pay heed one's own.

I used "true" in its adjectival form, ergo, no need to hyphenate. Had I used it in its compound noun form, your post would have been a witty retort. Toodle pip!

But you did hyphenate my friend, that was my point.

My getting the cretin Salmond's name wrong is a source of minor embarrassment, but like I say, I typed it straight and with one finger on an iPad and it looked wrong but it passed me by at the time. I'd call him much worse were I to meet him.

But honestly, I cannot believe the best johnny can do is pick me up on my punctuation? Really? Scottish Independence being a bad idea, is so blindingly obvious it defies belief that it's being seriously considered. It doesn't stand up even the most rudimentary scrutiny. Yet the best defence he can muster is that I put a couple of apostrophes in the wrong place? Talk about deck chairs on the Titanic!

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

If Scotland vote yes to leave the Union, Parliament should bring a Scottish tax in whereby any person born in Scotland should pay a tax to reside in England and the privileges that affords. Refusal to pay, well they should return to the land of their infant birth!!

 

[Bill Walker]

Personally, I couldn't give a toss.

It will be an absolute, complete, total and unmitigated disaster for Scotland if they vote yes, a mere temporary minor inconvenience for the rest of the UK, at worst.

In short, Scotland will lurch further to the left, spend even more money they don't have on welfare bollocks, and their economy will spiral down to sub Greece levels. The UK, freed of the burden of theses malingering lefties will rebound positively, with a 50 MP swing to the right.

And Scots will lose the pound. The fat dunce Hammond is too thick to understand that you can't share a currency without having the same interest rates, same fiscal policies and a common central bank. So the twat can't have independence and a shared currency. Having a shared currency means not being independent. The entry requirement for the Euro was convergence remember, not divergence. And look what a disaster it's been for Greece et al with economies that were not well converged. So, independence = no pound.

They can have their "Scottish Pound" or "Scottish Dinar" or "Scottish Peseta" or what the fuck the twit wants to call it, but it can't be a UK pound. Their dismal new currency will plummet on the currency markets as anyone with half an ounce of brain and a quarter of an ounce of wealth moves their money out into the safety of Euros or Dollars or Pounds. I mean, you'd need shit for brains to leave your life saving in Scottish Dinars wouldn't you, watching them spiral down into the dirt. As their currency plummets, their exports will bizarrely do OK, but since that only means haggis and Clan Dew, so fucking what. They will have galloping inflation as the cost of imports and raw materials soar. It's a self fulfilling prophecy if ever there was one.

Do I care? Not a fucking jot. We should erect a fucking great big wall and barbed wire fence and make them need a visa to visit. If we can tow the country a few hundred miles north, even better. The Scottish MP's who have enjoyed fucking over our economy for the last 100 years should be tarred, feathered and sent packing north at soonest opportunity. Good riddance to them. That would be a huge positive for sure.

And when the Scottish economy has bottomed out and they have their 50% unemployment and national debt at 200% of GDP and interest rates of 30%, don't DARE come cap in hand to the rest of the UK to bail them out.

Independence? Good luck with that.

Getting the protagonist's name right? Good luck with that.

You have clearly spent a considerable amount of time trying to put together, what you thought would come across as cogent, well-informed comment. And yet, and yet..."Hammond".

And your grammatical grasp, whilst trying incredibly hard to portray a well-educated, well-informed polemic, falls flat on it's (sic) five year old arse with such gems as "Scottish MP's" - you weren't quite sure on the apostrophe were you? Should it be there? Hmmmm, best to put one in just in case. And so, you reveal you're (sic) true-self: a child. Stick to The Beano. Youll (sic) love it.

your both cunts of course

but at least Chippy_boy is a bit funny

 

[johnnytapia]

I used "true" in its adjectival form, ergo, no need to hyphenate. Had I used it in its compound noun form, your post would have been a witty retort. Toodle pip!

But you did hyphenate my friend, that was my point.

My getting the cretin Salmond's name wrong is a source of minor embarrassment, but like I say, I typed it straight and with one finger on an iPad and it looked wrong but it passed me by at the time. I'd call him much worse were I to meet him.

But honestly, I cannot believe the best johnny can do is pick me up on my punctuation? Really? Scottish Independence being a bad idea, is so blindingly obvious it defies belief that it's being seriously considered. It doesn't stand up even the most rudimentary scrutiny. Yet the best defence he can muster is that I put a couple of apostrophes in the wrong place? Talk about deck chairs on the Titanic!

All nit-picking aside, I think you and your ilk are so utterly wrong on this - witness the cavalcade of MPs (no apostrophe!!!!!!) heading to Scotland, fearing for THEIR future, not Scotland's. This is EXACTLY what we need - a community, albeit a large one, taking control of their destiny, not kowtowing to the Westminster bubble. Kissing goodbye to the nonsense of paying out of your pocket to keep the royal fucking family in glitter and baubles. And now we see the self-serving press, the London Twitter/Twatterati, the Thinktanks and Wanktanks trying to tell us the Scots will regret it, business will move yah de yah, for they know it will weaken their right-wing agenda. To squeeze the fucking pips from the poorest, neediest. Jesus, we cannot have the proles determining their own lives.

Scotland first. Then Wales. Then us (Manchester). And so on. The writing is on the (Establishment's) wall and Alex Salmond/Hammond/Higgins has chipped away the first brick. And that, Chippy Boy is why you care - passionately.

 

[ElanJo]

I think they should ignore the scare stories and vote for independence. I doubt they will tho. Fear is a great motivator

 

[Chippy_boy]

If Scotland vote "No" and stay in the UK, any chance England can then have a referendum to get rid of Scotland?

Having said I care not, I am erring on agreeing with you. It is pretty plain that the people north of the border are way more left wing than those south of it. The near bankruptcy brought about by the wreckless and unrepentant over spending of Gordon Wobble Chin is clearly something they aspire to.

I am probably leaning on hoping for a yes vote so we can get shut of them.

You do an awful lot of typing for someone who "doesn't care" and "doesn't give a toss". Go on, release those inner demons and admit it: you secretly envy the Scots and the balls they're showing to the vermin Tories of Westminster. Let. It. Go.

No mate. I believe deeply, passionately, that in order to have the best public services, the best healthcare, the best welfare, transport and everything else, you need wealth. Wealthy economies can have these things. Poor economies cannot. To have these things, first you need a wealthy economy. So priorities need to be wealth creation, followed by wealth creation and after that wealth creation.

So how do you do that? You do it by lowering taxation, encouraging entrepreneurialism and getting the state off everyone's back. You do everything you can to get the private sector to thrive, with real, not made up jobs. Get businesses more competitive with their now lower cost base and get exports booming. Get profits soaring and with that, employment increasing and tax revenues rising.

Then and only then can you invest in the best social welfare and public services, because then you can afford it. This is not the politics and policies the evil Tories, it is common sense, logical and it is correct. You cannot spend money you do not have and spending it early in the hope of wealth later can never work.

Salmond doesn't get it. I'll add it to the list of the many things he and his lefty cohorts don't get. They've never got it and probably will go to their graves not getting it. They advocate spending the money you haven't got first, and borrowing and taxing everyone even more to pay for it. Burden businesses even more and thereby stifle investment. Make them ever less competitive. As they struggle, drive up unemployment, not employment. In short, wreck the economy. Like every Labour and pseudo Labour Party has always done. This is the politics of Labour, the politics of failure and ruin. This is Salmond's politics. He fools himself with shit about "investing in Scotland" by which he means spending the state's money on crap, to create fake jobs, but never stop to think that the state doesn't have any money. It's all YOUR and MY money, and every pound the state has, they took off us and wasted 90p of it on bureaucracy in the process. And these fake jobs and public sector jobs don't create any wealth anyway, they are just a cost burden. You could not contrive a more wasteful, more deluded, more doomed approach if you really tried.

This is why socialism has never worked, will never work, can never work. It is superficially appealing to the have-nots who are promised a quick fix to their woes and who are unwilling or unable to engage their brains to understand why it can never work. Socialism is advocated by a principled but deluded well off few, and voted for by an impoverished and jealous many. It is in large part the politics of resentment and envy, and it can never succeed.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Scotland first. Then Wales. Then us (Manchester). And so on. The writing is on the (Establishment's) wall and Alex Salmond/Hammond/Higgins has chipped away the first brick. And that, Chippy Boy is why you care - passionately.

Honestly mate, you can take this on face value or not, up to you. But I will tell you straight, I honestly do not much care what happens to the vote. It would be a shame if it's a yes I think, since I do believe we'd be better off together and I value the history of our great United Kingdom. But only a shame, not a big loss. It irritates me a bit that the Yes campaigners are either too stupid or too disingenuous to tell it straight to the Scottish people and have let their thirst for power get in the way of everything, despite the consequences.

But If you lot are daft enough to vote Yes, then all the best to you. Genuinely, I think it will be a disaster for you, but not for me, which is why I don't really care.

 

[johnnytapia]

Having said I care not, I am erring on agreeing with you. It is pretty plain that the people north of the border are way more left wing than those south of it. The near bankruptcy brought about by the wreckless and unrepentant over spending of Gordon Wobble Chin is clearly something they aspire to.

I am probably leaning on hoping for a yes vote so we can get shut of them.

You do an awful lot of typing for someone who "doesn't care" and "doesn't give a toss". Go on, release those inner demons and admit it: you secretly envy the Scots and the balls they're showing to the vermin Tories of Westminster. Let. It. Go.

No mate. I believe deeply, passionately, that in order to have the best public services, the best healthcare, the best welfare, transport and everything else, you need wealth. Wealthy economies can have these things. Poor economies cannot. To have these things, first you need a wealthy economy. So priorities need to be wealth creation, followed by wealth creation and after that wealth creation.

So how do you do that? You do it by lowering taxation, encouraging entrepreneurialism and getting the state off everyone's back. You do everything you can to get the private sector to thrive, with real, not made up jobs. Get businesses more competitive with their now lower cost base and get exports booming. Get profits soaring and with that, employment increasing and tax revenues rising.

Then and only then can you invest in the best social welfare and public services, because then you can afford it. This is not the politics and policies the evil Tories, it is common sense, logical and it is correct. You cannot spend money you do not have and spending it early in the hope of wealth later can never work.

Salmond doesn't get it. I'll add it to the list of the many things he and his lefty cohorts don't get. They've never got it and probably will go to their graves not getting it. They advocate spending the money you haven't got first, and borrowing and taxing everyone even more to pay for it. Burden businesses even more and thereby stifle investment. Make them ever less competitive. As they struggle, drive up unemployment, not employment. In short, wreck the economy. Like every Labour and pseudo Labour Party has always done. This is the politics of Labour, the politics of failure and ruin. This is Salmond's politics. He fools himself with shit about "investing in Scotland" by which he means spending the state's money on crap, to create fake jobs, but never stop to think that the state doesn't have any money. It's all YOUR and MY money, and every pound the state has, they took off us and wasted 90p of it on bureaucracy in the process. And these fake jobs and public sector jobs don't create any wealth anyway, they are just a cost burden. You could not contrive a more wasteful, more deluded, more doomed approach if you really tried.

This is why socialism has never worked, will never work, can never work. It is superficially appealing to the have-nots who are promised a quick fix to their woes and who are unwilling or unable to engage their brains to understand why it can never work. Socialism is advocated by a principled but deluded well off few, and voted for by an impoverished and jealous many. It is in large part the politics of resentment and envy, and it can never succeed.

Why would you want public sector jobs to create wealth? How about we have jobs that serve the common-good? Nurses? Teachers/ Policemen? Binmen? All very, very worthy professions that serve to create a society based on welfare - caring for one another, living together. But hey, if you believe wealth to be the Mammon to deliver us all to the land of hope and glory, good luck to you. I'll be here to bail out your capitalist Nirvana. Just as I/we have every time the rapacious cult of business falls flat on its dog eat dog arse.

What, incidentally, are these "made up jobs" that you seem to equate with the Socialist state? Not like your Zero Hours jobs that so epitomise the capitalist cunts that want to fuck the poorest over are they? Off to feather now bud, so we'll have to agree to disagree. Cheers.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

Personally, I couldn't give a toss.

It will be an absolute, complete, total and unmitigated disaster for Scotland if they vote yes, a mere temporary minor inconvenience for the rest of the UK, at worst.

In short, Scotland will lurch further to the left, spend even more money they don't have on welfare bollocks, and their economy will spiral down to sub Greece levels. The UK, freed of the burden of theses malingering lefties will rebound positively, with a 50 MP swing to the right.

And Scots will lose the pound. The fat dunce Salmond is too thick to understand that you can't share a currency without having the same interest rates, same fiscal policies and a common central bank. So the twat can't have independence and a shared currency. Having a shared currency means not being independent. The entry requirement for the Euro was convergence remember, not divergence. And look what a disaster it's been for Greece et al with economies that were not well converged. So, independence = no pound.

They can have their "Scottish Pound" or "Scottish Dinar" or "Scottish Peseta" or what the fuck the twit wants to call it, but it can't be a UK pound. Their dismal new currency will plummet on the currency markets as anyone with half an ounce of brain and a quarter of an ounce of wealth moves their money out into the safety of Euros or Dollars or Pounds. I mean, you'd need shit for brains to leave your life savings in Scottish Dinars wouldn't you, watching them spiral down into the dirt. As their currency plummets, their exports will bizarrely do OK, but since that only means haggis and Clan Dew, so fucking what. They will have galloping inflation as the cost of imports and raw materials soar. It's a self fulfilling prophecy if ever there was one.

Do I care? Not a fucking jot. We should erect a fucking great big wall and barbed wire fence and make them need a visa to visit. If we can tow the country a few hundred miles north, even better. The Scottish MP's who have enjoyed fucking over our economy for the last 100 years should be tarred, feathered and sent packing north at soonest opportunity. Good riddance to them. That would be a huge positive for sure.

And when the Scottish economy has bottomed out and they have their 50% unemployment and national debt at 200% of GDP and interest rates of 30%, don't DARE come cap in hand to the rest of the UK to bail them out.

Independence? Good luck with that.

Wow. I have to say for one who "couldn't give a toss", you do possess a number of strong views on this situation. And extremely resentful ones if I may say so.
If, as you so eloquently wrote in your post, you really don't care about Scottish independence, why go to the trouble of writing such a post? Instead of feeling sorry for the Scots and your perceived future of an independent Scotland, you choose to belittle them for having the temerity to even think about trying to run their own country independently from Westminster. If they do, however, it is their problem, not the rest of the UK's.
I sincerely hope that this post was meant as a light-hearted reaction to the never-ending media and political circus of which I am also extremely tired, otherwise I can only congratulate you on your extensive and well-researched knowledge of Scottish MPs over the last century, your borderline racist comments, and the feeling you give the reader of this 'situation' troubling you a lot more than you would like us to believe.