Scottish independence

[Blue Til Death]

Despite all the waffle and media hype, the NO vote will romp it, much to my dismay it has to be said, hope I am wrong.

I have spoken with 4 mates up there today, and 3 family members, and all are voting no. They have many reasons, including being proud to be British (I know the English press won't like that view), hating Salmond, believing they are better being part of the Union, and not believing that the 'Yes' camp have made a good case.

One of the guys is from Aberdeen, where he works in the oil industry. He said most of those he speaks to are voting Yes, including the English guys who live and work there! I couldn't believe the bit about the English guys, but he said they were definitely voting that way.

Why would you be dismayed if they voted 'No'?

Despite the fact that economically in the long term, it appears that they will be worse off, I think the Scots should go it alone, as it stands they will be devolved more an more powers anyway as times goes by, until they are virtually independent in all but name.
I worked on the rigs off Aberdeen for 10 years and almost to a man they wanted out of the union and that was in the 90's.
Its time for them to go alone now, I think they will regret it but, then again maybe they wont.
We shall find out soon mate..!

 

[Gray]

If the vote is YES I trust it means true independence and self-financing.

Also I hope we alter our national flag (even though I like it) because they as now will fly the Saltire.

I presume they want the oil revenue but surely it was taxpayers money that financed the exploration and building of the rigs, can we have our money and rigs back please.

The British Isles are small enough without splitting them up, I am sure that Alex Salmond is just a megalomaniac power seeker who would like to be King of Scotland.

I hope for a NO vote but am not holding my breath.

 

[bumbleblue]

If the vote is YES I trust it means true independence and self-financing.

Also I hope we alter our national flag (even though I like it) because they as now will fly the Saltire.

I presume they want the oil revenue but surely it was taxpayers money that financed the exploration and building of the rigs, can we have our money and rigs back please.

The British Isles are small enough without splitting them up, I am sure that Alex Salmond is just a megalomaniac power seeker who would like to be King of Scotland.

I hope for a NO vote but am not holding my breath.

This is pretty much my view too

 

[The Flash]

It would be most amusing if Mr Salmond got his independence and then did a Donald Dewar at the moment his life's ambition was achieved.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I think Cameron and the Tories will, from a political point of view, more than see the silver side of that particular cloud as Labour lose 40 seats.

As stated, the Tories would have needed no coalition this time around and the results of 4 post war elections would have changed.

The Prime Minister who lost the Union will " more than see the silver side of that particular cloud"

He will?

Thank you, I find it a comfort to be reminded why the Tories are known as the Stupid Party

Why? Does anyone think less of Gorbachev because he was in charge when the USSR broke up? Of course not. Things change and if the scots want to go then fine. How can one man, or party prevent the will of the people?

ERRRRRR.........8.9% of the total UK Population are being 'allowed' to vote the country out of the 'union'. They won't even give a vote to scots living outside Scotland let alone the rest of us......Not really Democratic methinks

 

[CatMan]

If it's a Yes vote then I say we invade the next day and rename the whole bloody country Whiskyshire and absorb it into England!

Seriously though even a stupid person can see that separating the 2 nations is akin to trying to separate Siamese Twins that share the same brain and expecting both twins to survive!

In fact anyone preaching the supposed benefits of the fiasco needs sectioning under the mental health act!

 

[blue cigar]

I too live in aberdeen and have not come across one fellow englander who will vote yes. The jocks who are voting no have no idea what a mess Scotland will be in and dont care that salmond cannot give a straight answer to any question. I think if its a yes,the rest of the uk will squeeze the pips put of scotland over the Next ten years and rightly so. The yesser mob are by and large anti english and that is the real reason they are voting yes.

 

[bgblue]

I see sky have picked one of nick cleggs better pictures :)

 

[Paladin]

On a positive note, if they do go independent, we might be able to repatriate Alan Brazil as an undesirable.

 

[malg]

I too live in aberdeen and have not come across one fellow englander who will vote yes. The jocks who are voting no have no idea what a mess Scotland will be in and dont care that salmond cannot give a straight answer to any question. I think if its a yes,the rest of the uk will squeeze the pips put of scotland over the Next ten years and rightly so. The yesser mob are by and large anti english and that is the real reason they are voting yes.

I agree that Salmond is a huge tit, and is more than likely just trying to cement his place in history. However, the sentiment that those voting 'Yes' are by and large juzt anti-English is wrong. It's very simplistic and the kind of thing that monumental prick Kelvin MacKenzie would say.

As for the English guys voting Yes is concerned, I'm only going off what I'm being told by a very good mate. Maybe his English work colleagues are just fucking around with their votes as they don't particularly care, or are just saying they'll vote Yes as most of their work colleagues are voting that way? God only knows. All I know is that Great Britain is better together, and is nothing if we split. If Scotland votes Yes, then I can only see it being a bad thing for the whole of the UK/GB. What next? Londoners voting for self governance, as going it alone would mean they'd all be better off not sharing their wealth with the rest of the country?

 

[peter.evans]

This is spot on. Salmond is more negative than anyone .He is somehow in with a chance of winning this despite his little Scotlander anti English campaign. That sums that lot up ! Anti English is what they are about, nothing more. Otherwise how the hell would these republicans in their right mind vote to drop out of the union ? On the major issues of currency, defence, Europe and the money Britain spent bailing the likes of RBS and others out , which was billions, logic would dictate Salmond simplycannot win so why else would he !?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This is spot on. Salmond is more negative than anyone .He is somehow in with a chance of winning this despite his little Scotlander anti English campaign. That sums that lot up ! Anti English is what they are about, nothing more. Otherwise how the hell would these republicans in their right mind vote to drop out of the union ? On the major issues of currency, defence, Europe and the money Britain spent bailing the likes of RBS and others out , which was billions, logic would dictate Salmond simplycannot win so why else would he !?

But if the don't get a currency union they won't have to pay it 'cos the debts belong to / are underwritten by the Bank of England...............One think Salmond isn't is daft..thats for sure

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

On a positive note, if they do go independent, we might be able to repatriate Alan Brazil as an undesirable.

He will be an illegal non EU foreigner - do one!

 

[Gelsons Dad]

This is spot on. Salmond is more negative than anyone .He is somehow in with a chance of winning this despite his little Scotlander anti English campaign. That sums that lot up ! Anti English is what they are about, nothing more. Otherwise how the hell would these republicans in their right mind vote to drop out of the union ? On the major issues of currency, defence, Europe and the money Britain spent bailing the likes of RBS and others out , which was billions, logic would dictate Salmond simplycannot win so why else would he !?

But if the don't get a currency union they won't have to pay it 'cos the debts belong to / are underwritten by the Bank of England...............One think Salmond isn't is daft..thats for sure

That's not correct. They will have to take responsibility for their share of the debt with or without currency union. You can't simply walk away from your debt by renaming yourself. They will be in debt to the BoE and will default. They will then be a bankrupt state unable to borrow without huge costs.

 

[Gabriel]

People have grossly underestimated Salmond and confused anti-Westminster with anti-English. With the exception of the Herald and Sunday Herald, the 'Yes' campaign have been fighting against enormous media bias, a bias that has frankly been embarrassing to listen to and read. At the same time, the 'Yes' campaign has overturned an extraordinary lead for 'No' to leave the referendum on a knife edge, and the momentum firmly behind its sails.

As for the idea that this is some Conservative conspiracy to secure an infinite majority in Parliament, I consider that fanciful. One can only imagine the atmosphere at Balmoral on Sunday when Cameron met the Queen and explained that she might want to consider getting quotes from removal companies!

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This is spot on. Salmond is more negative than anyone .He is somehow in with a chance of winning this despite his little Scotlander anti English campaign. That sums that lot up ! Anti English is what they are about, nothing more. Otherwise how the hell would these republicans in their right mind vote to drop out of the union ? On the major issues of currency, defence, Europe and the money Britain spent bailing the likes of RBS and others out , which was billions, logic would dictate Salmond simplycannot win so why else would he !?

But if the don't get a currency union they won't have to pay it 'cos the debts belong to / are underwritten by the Bank of England...............One think Salmond isn't is daft..thats for sure

That's not correct. They will have to take responsibility for their share of the debt with or without currency union. You can't simply walk away from your debt by renaming yourself. They will be in debt to the BoE and will default. They will then be a bankrupt state unable to borrow without huge costs.

Thats what they're threatening anyway............and how can one of the top twenty booming countries go bankrupt? You know the system...someone will buy off them / lend them money...in fact wouldn't the euro be improved if the scotties jumped in?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

But if the don't get a currency union they won't have to pay it 'cos the debts belong to / are underwritten by the Bank of England...............One think Salmond isn't is daft..thats for sure

That's not correct. They will have to take responsibility for their share of the debt with or without currency union. You can't simply walk away from your debt by renaming yourself. They will be in debt to the BoE and will default. They will then be a bankrupt state unable to borrow without huge costs.

Thats what they're threatening anyway............and how can one of the top twenty booming countries go bankrupt? You know the system...someone will buy off them / lend them money...in fact wouldn't the euro be improved if the scotties jumped in?

They won't be a top 20 country. rUK will drop to 5th The Jocks will come in around 60 and go down from their. They will be the Montenegro of the North!

 

[Skashion]

Blair is the only Labour PM elected by a majority in England in 64 years so it's no surprise you cherry pick his 3 election wins.

It's interesting that you go straight to criticising my argument when there are tories on this thread making completely false and more over very absolutist claims that there will never be a Labour government again, I point out that in the three most recent elections where a majority was won, Labour won a majority of English seats every single time, and rather than concede the point and admit that is a bad argument to make, you attack my factually correct argument even when contradicting an absolutist nonsense. Why? Do you just like to argue with my posts even when the argument is wrong? I know what you're angling at, I don't like Blair or New Labour. No, I don't, but then nor do most of the tories on this thread making this argument, and yet that kind of Labour party can still win power, and indeed, won the majority of English seats in the last three elections to produce a majority. If UKIP do get what they're currently polling, it is almost certain that a Labour a tiny smidgeon to the left of Blair's New Labour will take power again. For the record, I don't think UKIP will get what they are polling but considering their current strength, underestimating the prospect of future Labour governments could very soon leave a lot of egg on a lot of faces.

Anyway, onto the details of your post. No Prime Minister is elected, and you're not correct about your second assertion either. Labour won a landslide in 1966 which they won 285 English seats to the Conservative's 216 English seats and 10 others for an English majority of 59 seats. You're also not taking into account the fact that the Labour vote had been split since the 1980s, and, as mentioned above, the tories may well be about to find out what that can do to your prospects of winning seats.

 

[Chris in London]

Christmas is coming

 

[Blue Maverick]

Let them vote YES pull out all our troops and nuclear subs then invade them and use Scotland as a dumping ground for all the not rights and illegal immigrants we don't want.