Scottish independence

[blueinsa]

Salmonds worst nightmare come Friday is a yes vote. He is an empty vessel, full of hot air and rhetoric but never the less, empty.

Devomax is his dream and anything more will see him making one of the biggest messes the world has seen in recent history due to him having no real answers to some very important questions.

 

[SWP's back]

. The ''yes'' campaign offers the chance to be free of the black hole of westminster. Cameron begging for a 'no' vote for the sake of 'unity' is hard to take seriously, the leader of a party whose policies have divided the country like never before is saddled with that , no matter how much hand-wringing and grovelling he does.
The Labour party did sweet fa to address the problem of over-centralisation, they abandoned the principles on which the party was formed and became just another bunch of politicians with their snouts in the trough, so Brown and his plea for the no vote is predictable but not worth a carrot.
The 'no' campaign seems to grow more hysterical every passing day, even more than in an election campaign, with speculation presented as facts, in lurid head-lines in the press and on t.v. Personal attacks on Salmond and his staff follow the US model of throwing shit and hope enough sticks, innuendo and smokescreens masking the
lack of solid evidence. The desperate promises of '' give us another chance, we've reformed'' are about as believable as an MP's expenses claim.
The level of anti-Scottish rhetoric on BM is quite intense, but then tribalism has never gone away, if Wales was
voting on devolution no doubt the same bigotry would be expressed in similar fashion.
The only thing that is certain, is that the 'no' campaigners are following the usual practise of ''what's in it for
me'' and pretending to care about the Scottish people is a transparent lie.

It amazes me that people believe their own posts sometimes.

The sooner the Scots get independence the better.

 

[blueinsa]

. The ''yes'' campaign offers the chance to be free of the black hole of westminster. Cameron begging for a 'no' vote for the sake of 'unity' is hard to take seriously, the leader of a party whose policies have divided the country like never before is saddled with that , no matter how much hand-wringing and grovelling he does.
The Labour party did sweet fa to address the problem of over-centralisation, they abandoned the principles on which the party was formed and became just another bunch of politicians with their snouts in the trough, so Brown and his plea for the no vote is predictable but not worth a carrot.
The 'no' campaign seems to grow more hysterical every passing day, even more than in an election campaign, with speculation presented as facts, in lurid head-lines in the press and on t.v. Personal attacks on Salmond and his staff follow the US model of throwing shit and hope enough sticks, innuendo and smokescreens masking the
lack of solid evidence. The desperate promises of '' give us another chance, we've reformed'' are about as believable as an MP's expenses claim.
The level of anti-Scottish rhetoric on BM is quite intense, but then tribalism has never gone away, if Wales was
voting on devolution no doubt the same bigotry would be expressed in similar fashion.
The only thing that is certain, is that the 'no' campaigners are following the usual practise of ''what's in it for
me'' and pretending to care about the Scottish people is a transparent lie.

It amazes me that people believe their own posts sometimes.

The sooner the Scots get independence the better.

I'd have a little more time and respect for them if they all just admitted this is nothing more than an anti English dream of theirs.

I live and work in Scotland and the last few weeks have been pure comedy gold as they strut around, convinced us English are about to be turfed out and dreaming of the weekly dividend cheque for their share of the oil and whiskey money pmsl.

 

[SWP's back]

. The ''yes'' campaign offers the chance to be free of the black hole of westminster. Cameron begging for a 'no' vote for the sake of 'unity' is hard to take seriously, the leader of a party whose policies have divided the country like never before is saddled with that , no matter how much hand-wringing and grovelling he does.
The Labour party did sweet fa to address the problem of over-centralisation, they abandoned the principles on which the party was formed and became just another bunch of politicians with their snouts in the trough, so Brown and his plea for the no vote is predictable but not worth a carrot.
The 'no' campaign seems to grow more hysterical every passing day, even more than in an election campaign, with speculation presented as facts, in lurid head-lines in the press and on t.v. Personal attacks on Salmond and his staff follow the US model of throwing shit and hope enough sticks, innuendo and smokescreens masking the
lack of solid evidence. The desperate promises of '' give us another chance, we've reformed'' are about as believable as an MP's expenses claim.
The level of anti-Scottish rhetoric on BM is quite intense, but then tribalism has never gone away, if Wales was
voting on devolution no doubt the same bigotry would be expressed in similar fashion.
The only thing that is certain, is that the 'no' campaigners are following the usual practise of ''what's in it for
me'' and pretending to care about the Scottish people is a transparent lie.

It amazes me that people believe their own posts sometimes.

The sooner the Scots get independence the better.

I'd have a little more time and respect for them if they all just admitted this is nothing more than an anti English dream of theirs.

I live and work in Scotland and the last few weeks have been pure comedy gold as they strut around, convinced us English are about to be turfed out and dreaming of the weekly dividend cheque for their share of the oil and whiskey money pmsl.

The anti-English sentiment that is espoused by just about every Scot I have met is most amusing. Yet it's the English being accused of being anti-Scottish on here.

Let them leave, it will be funny watching it pan out.

 

[City Raider]

have baconface and connery declared one way or the other? If not i'd imagine they are coming under a fair bit of pressure to do so - pathetic as it is they'd swing a lot of votes

 

[blue_soundwave]

The Welsh to go next?

Support of Welsh independence up to 28.9%, from 5% in February.

http://ffb.co.uk/sme-advice/236-huge-rise-in-support-for-welsh-independence

 

[smudgedj]

Seems it's game over

If Facebook “likes” were votes, the Yes campaign has won, with 258,000 likes to the 182,000 of the No campaign...

 

[robbieh]

have baconface and connery declared one way or the other? If not i'd imagine they are coming under a fair bit of pressure to do so - pathetic as it is they'd swing a lot of votes

Ferguson....No
Connery...Yes
Irving Welsh...Yes
JK Rowling.... No
Susan Boyle...No
Geldof.....No, not that it's any of his business


and although he has no vote just like Sir Bob, David Beckham....No.

Ferguson, Beckham ...that's it I am a YES.

 

[smudgedj]

I'm still not seeing the advantage to the chips on both shoulders welfare addicted morbidly obese skirt wearing chippy junkies /end casual racism. I can see the advantages to the rest of Britain (6 million people off the books of the NHS and the huge decrease in Britain’s welfare and benefits bill - average rainfall will be less as well)

However being serious if the Scots vote for independence and it all goes wrong will they be allowed back?

 

[BigOscar]

If Scotland gets independence, then fair play to them, it might go badly for them but at least they will be in control of their own destiny, rather than depending on whatever scraps the tories throw their way.

Unfortunately, whichever way you vote you're going to end up with politicians in charge, who all seem to be exactly the same once they get in power. (fuck you Clegg)

 

[Metal Biker]

I'm still not seeing the advantage to the chips on both shoulders welfare addicted morbidly obese skirt wearing chippy junkies /end casual racism. I can see the advantages to the rest of Britain (6 million people off the books of the NHS and the huge decrease in Britain’s welfare and benefits bill - average rainfall will be less as well)

However being serious if the Scots vote for independence and it all goes wrong will they be allowed back?

Nope, or if it did come to that then the rest of the UK would vote on allowing them to join the union; the Scots wouldn't have a say.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

So although Scotland has had control of its own NHS spending since 1999 some 40,000 Scots came to England for specialist treatments last year. If the Yes vote wins will the treatment of Scots in England cease?

 

[Bill Walker]

So although Scotland has had control of its own NHS spending since 1999 some 40,000 Scots came to England for specialist treatments last year. If the Yes vote wins will the treatment of Scots in England cease?

There is a reciprocal agreement between the UK & Oz for health care so maybe Jockland will be the same

 

[BlueBearBoots]

So although Scotland has had control of its own NHS spending since 1999 some 40,000 Scots came to England for specialist treatments last year. If the Yes vote wins will the treatment of Scots in England cease?

There is a reciprocal agreement between the UK & Oz for health care so maybe Jockland will be the same

hmm but Scotland dont have the facilities for heart/lung transplants for example. Not very "recipocral" if they dont offer anything we dont already have and we offer facilities they havent ever had!

 

[blueinsa]

So although Scotland has had control of its own NHS spending since 1999 some 40,000 Scots came to England for specialist treatments last year. If the Yes vote wins will the treatment of Scots in England cease?

A post independence diet of whiskey, oil, fish and iron bru will see the end of all illnesses in Scotland and the current ill health of the nation is nothing more than England's fault.

 

[Mike N]

I hope the Jocks vote 'Yes' and they can run their country how they chose. The panic last week when the three party leaders realised that it might not be the for gone conclusion they expected was priceless.

Good luck to them.

 

[Bill Walker]

So although Scotland has had control of its own NHS spending since 1999 some 40,000 Scots came to England for specialist treatments last year. If the Yes vote wins will the treatment of Scots in England cease?

There is a reciprocal agreement between the UK & Oz for health care so maybe Jockland will be the same

hmm but Scotland dont have the facilities for heart/lung transplants for example. Not very "recipocral" if they dont offer anything we dont already have and we offer facilities they havent ever had!

but surely if the become an independent country they will have to acquire these things ?

 

[BlueBearBoots]

There is a reciprocal agreement between the UK & Oz for health care so maybe Jockland will be the same

hmm but Scotland dont have the facilities for heart/lung transplants for example. Not very "recipocral" if they dont offer anything we dont already have and we offer facilities they havent ever had!

but surely if the become an independent country they will have to acquire these things ?

dont see how without a massive cash injection, nothing stopping them from doing that since 1999 but it hasnt happened.

 

[CityFan94]

Piss off Scotland

Good input into the thread,fukn not.
I'm not getting involved in the yes/no shit.
But some of the anti Scots posts on here are a fukn disgrace.
Let them fuk off,wasters,scroungers.
Hadrians wall,junkies,gingers blah blah fukn blah.
It's actually 2014 up here as well you know.
We have electricity,wear trousers not kilts,apart from the fukn. "Tartan army"...sad c**ts. :)
We're only 100 miles from Manchester ffs.
Get a grip some of you eh.

Yep, as I say, piss off Scotland.

Full of moaning twats taking up all the media coverage, especially Salmond.

Pretty embarrassing to see borderline racist comments by a moderator.

For supporters of a football club who have been very unhappy at racism being aimed at our players, I thought we were better than that.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

have baconface and connery declared one way or the other? If not i'd imagine they are coming under a fair bit of pressure to do so - pathetic as it is they'd swing a lot of votes

Ferguson....No
Connery...Yes
Irving Welsh...Yes
JK Rowling.... No
Susan Boyle...No
Geldof.....No, not that it's any of his business


and although he has no vote just like Sir Bob, David Beckham....No.

Ferguson, Beckham ...that's it I am a YES.

The "Yes" campaign will be pleased to have shored up the wife-beating vote.