Scottish independence

[robbieh]

A lot of the Yes voters are the poor and dispossessed. Those with lots of capital are disinclined to change as it's putting their assets at risk.

Whatever the result Scotland will remain subject to the market system imposed on them by global capitalism. The politicians may change, the system doesn't.

Until we all wake up, smell the coffee, and realize that the vast majority of humankind are being shafted by a super rich elite, then we will continue with our petty nationalistic arguments, which is just what the elite want us to do as they go about their business completely unhindered by governments of any colour.

 

[Anonymous]

Is Porridge Gobbler a racist term?

No, but it's clearly disrespectful to Ronnie Barker and Richard Beckinsale who I thought were magnificent.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Is Porridge Gobbler a racist term?

No, but it's clearly disrespectful to Ronnie Barker and Richard Beckinsale who I thought were magnificent.

Did he actually do it though?

 

[metalblue]

Will porridge go up in price?

I don't want to scaremonger but it will probably will have to

See this book Salmond is holding?

Page 75 exposes the reality that the economy will be in the red by £3-4bn every year that's without actually costing in the additional cost of independence. Somethings going to have to change and it's a going to come down to a classic tax or save decision...and the answer is buried in page 77 where "also to use key tax and regulatory powers to improve the scottish economy"...so tax rises it is.

Oddly the message the yes camp portray is they "contribute more to westminster than they receive" yet their own evidence demonstrates that to be wholly incorrect.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Why the hell should the rest of the UK allow a foreign country to use the same currency?

Any country can use any freely tradable currency.
Hence Zimbabwe use the US dollar.

How's that working out for them?

Much better than before they adopted it.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

If they vote yes and their economy goes tits up, I wonder if large areas of England's inner cities will become populated by economic migrants from north of the border once the Poles, Romanians, Asians and Africans move out to the more affluent suburbs. Will there be a load of takeaways that specialise in deep fried Mars bars, deep fried pizza, deep fried pies and haggis, neeps & tatties?

If they are refused entry to the EU, as seems likely, they won't be allowed in to England.

 

[BrianW]

You know, all this harking back to the 14th Century makes me laugh. The idea that ordinary Scots were 'free' back then - yeah, right. The courts were run by the local lord, who could quite literally hang you if he didn't like the cut of your jib. Free from the evil English maybe, but that's about it.

If anyone imagines that the rich elite who really run things are going to allow a little country like Scotland to turn into a Socialist paradise, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. On the contrary, they will turn the screws big time, and crush any attempt at political progress.

Even a relatively large country like the UK would come under massive pressure if it dared step out of line. That's part of the problem. The corporates are so powerful that they can force nation states to bow to their demands.

 

[mancityvstoke]

If they vote yes and their economy goes tits up, I wonder if large areas of England's inner cities will become populated by economic migrants from north of the border once the Poles, Romanians, Asians and Africans move out to the more affluent suburbs. Will there be a load of takeaways that specialise in deep fried Mars bars, deep fried pizza, deep fried pies and haggis, neeps & tatties?

If they are refused entry to the EU, as seems likely, they won't be allowed in to England.

What about the ones already here? Do they get dual nationality?

 

[west didsblue]

Finally, it really is the triumph of hope over experience to imagine that a group of career politicians in Edinburgh will be any different from their counterparts in London in terms of self-serving greed and incompetence.
Just because they have a Scottish accent doesn't make them any different.

There's no shortage of Westminster politicians with Scottish accents.

When Salmond prattles on about the "Westminster elite" running Scotland, he never mentions that it has more than its fair share of Jocks.

 

[robbieh]

You know, all this harking back to the 14th Century makes me laugh. The idea that ordinary Scots were 'free' back then - yeah, right. The courts were run by the local lord, who could quite literally hang you if he didn't like the cut of your jib. Free from the evil English maybe, but that's about it.

If anyone imagines that the rich elite who really run things are going to allow a little country like Scotland to turn into a Socialist paradise, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. On the contrary, they will turn the screws big time, and crush any attempt at political progress.

Even a relatively large country like the UK would come under massive pressure if it dared step out of line. That's part of the problem. The corporates are so powerful that they can force nation states to bow to their demands.

This is the reality for us all. Not just Scots. The big question is how to erode the power of these unelected leeches.

 

[Matty]

Good input into the thread,fukn not.
I'm not getting involved in the yes/no shit.
But some of the anti Scots posts on here are a fukn disgrace.
Let them fuk off,wasters,scroungers.
Hadrians wall,junkies,gingers blah blah fukn blah.
It's actually 2014 up here as well you know.
We have electricity,wear trousers not kilts,apart from the fukn. "Tartan army"...sad c**ts. :)
We're only 100 miles from Manchester ffs.
Get a grip some of you eh.

Yep, as I say, piss off Scotland.

Full of moaning twats taking up all the media coverage, especially Salmond.

Pretty embarrassing to see borderline racist comments by a moderator.

For supporters of a football club who have been very unhappy at racism being aimed at our players, I thought we were better than that.

As a moderator it's comments like this one that piss me off, and I'm not alone in the moderating group when I say that.

When a moderator has an opinion on a subject they, like anyone else, are entitled to express it. Our opinions and our posting style is a totally separate issue to our ability to moderate the forums. People pontificating about moderators and casting aspersions is an unwelcome, and annoyingly prevalent, action these days.

Of course the fact that SWP's back isn't actually a moderator also makes your post idiotic.

 

[Pell]

You know, all this harking back to the 14th Century makes me laugh. The idea that ordinary Scots were 'free' back then - yeah, right. The courts were run by the local lord, who could quite literally hang you if he didn't like the cut of your jib. Free from the evil English maybe, but that's about it.

If anyone imagines that the rich elite who really run things are going to allow a little country like Scotland to turn into a Socialist paradise, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. On the contrary, they will turn the screws big time, and crush any attempt at political progress.

Even a relatively large country like the UK would come under massive pressure if it dared step out of line. That's part of the problem. The corporates are so powerful that they can force nation states to bow to their demands.

This is how I see it too. Secede from the UK and join the EU, UN, NATO, IMF etc, and then have a central bank installed. The powers that be will never allow true independence.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Will porridge go up in price?

It did,some months back......costing me a fucking fortune these days as i'm very particular.....prefering the thick cut variety;-)

 

[sir baconface]

Pretty relaxed about this one. My gut feel is it's best to retain the Union. However, if they leave, I can understand why and we'll lose a load of Labour MPs as a bonus. Either way, both sides will adapt and survive.

If might teach our complacent politicians a lesson. Most things in recent years have been geared towards the metropolitan chattering classes and their provincial apologists. They've suddenly realised stuff like devolution and immigration are real issues out there.

Seeing the main parties suddenly launch into panic mode is quite amusing. However, anything they jizz away now could come back to bite them. I'm sure people in the English regions - not to mention Wales and N Ireland - are watching with interest.

If it takes the SNP and UKIP to wake the fcukers up, so be it.

 

[SWP's back]

Yep, as I say, piss off Scotland.

Full of moaning twats taking up all the media coverage, especially Salmond.

Pretty embarrassing to see borderline racist comments by a moderator.

For supporters of a football club who have been very unhappy at racism being aimed at our players, I thought we were better than that.

As a moderator it's comments like this one that piss me off, and I'm not alone in the moderating group when I say that.

When a moderator has an opinion on a subject they, like anyone else, are entitled to express it. Our opinions and our posting style is a totally separate issue to our ability to moderate the forums. People pontificating about moderators and casting aspersions is an unwelcome, and annoyingly prevalent, action these days.

Of course the fact that SWP's back isn't actually a moderator also makes your post idiotic.

Warning issued.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I think if scots think they can keep their oil and not share their resources then they should be forced to pay tens of billions of pounds to South Wales in return for the way scots aristocrats purged the welsh earth of coal for their own wealth - scots were fine to be part of the United Kingdom when they were the exploiters!

I despise nationalism and any working class scot who puts nationalism ahead of standing shoulder to shoulder with his brothers or sisters in Wigan or the Rhondda is a traitor to their roots!

Salmond is the farage of the north a man who rather than wanting to solve wants to blame, a man who will use hate and prejudice as a tool for his own power! Time and time again history has shown the evils of nationalism and I hope Salmond like farage will come over time to be taught that most humans are a lot better than they believe

 

[smudgedj]

Betfair have paid out on the no vote.

 

[dawlish dave]

Betfair have paid out on the no vote.

Fred Done paying out on Wednesday on a Yes vote. Don't all rush together, just form a orderly queue.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

Betfair have paid out on the no vote.

Fred Done paying out on Wednesday on a Yes vote. Don't all rush together, just form a orderly queue.

Should be about now that he pays out on a 2014/15 Ushited title win

 

[adrianr]

Well having been undecided on this I remembered I have a Scottish friend who is far, far smarter than I am. He's firmly in the no camp. I don't think he's been wrong about anything in his entire life so that's enough for me.