Scottish independence

[BlueBearBoots]

Will this vote keep cropping up again in the future?

In his speech Salmond referred to the result "at this stage" so no doubt it will crop up again in our lifetime

 

[jimharri]

Salmond saying ''at this stage'' Scotland has chosen not to be an independent country. He just can't let it go, can he?

 

[davymcfc]

Phew, thank god for that. It cannot be denied that this has stirred emotions up there and across Great Britain. Thankfully the union stays intact.

 

[tommybooth]

Will this vote keep cropping up again in the future?

In his speech Salmond referred to the result "at this stage" so no doubt it will crop up again in our lifetime

A one trick party.

Can we have another go in five years mister. Go on mister, please, please mister. Go on pritty please!

 

[FantasyIreland]

Will this vote keep cropping up again in the future?

In his speech Salmond referred to the result "at this stage" so no doubt it will crop up again in our lifetime

Ta,i wasn't sure if they will turn it into a regular ballot.I guess their must be certain time frames/opportunities?

 

[squirtyflower]

Bastards

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's most unappealing, but not entirely unexpected, that some of the leading lights of the 'yes" campaign are seeking to apportion blame for this result.

No-oe likes a bad loser.

They're an alignment of various interests who were united by a common goal and now remain bitterly disappointed. Faced now with the inevitable loss of standing in the eyes of the electorate and a need to save their political skins, naturally, the old fractures will quickly reappear. Over here, on the greener, more civilised island, with our written constitution, we get to hold far more referendums that ye do (yay, us!). Trust me, there is ALWAYS a bitch fest amongst the losers.
Don't kid yourself that it'd be any different had the result been reversed.

I wasn't referring to in-fighting. Quite the opposite. I was talking about blaming the result on 'the media' 'big business' and ' vested interests' like Tommy Sheridan did, for example. Sturgeon was talking a similar talk.

Maybe the people of Scotland didn't want independence.

Like I said, no-one likes a bad loser.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

Will this vote keep cropping up again in the future?

In his speech Salmond referred to the result "at this stage" so no doubt it will crop up again in our lifetime

Ta,i wasn't sure if they will turn it into a regular ballot.I guess their must be certain time frames/opportunities?

Before the vote he was saying it was a once in a generation vote, changed his tune slightly. But he did call for the promises made by Cameron late in the campaign to be implemented quickly

 

[malg]

Some good reporting on 5Live. Cameron is supposed to be making a speech at 0700hrs, and allegedly the West Lothian question will be sorted - Scottish MPs not voting on English matters, and quite right too. However he mentioned that Labour were looking at more devolution across England - mind you the North East voted against this a few years ago. Politically, some intetresting times ahead.

There is going to be a lot of plots and counter plots in Westminster over the next few months. I think it will also be an interesting General Election.

 

[BlueBearBoots]

Some good reporting on 5Live. Cameron is supposed to be making a speech at 0700hrs, and allegedly the West Lothian question will be sorted - Scottish MPs not voting on English matters, and quite right too. However he mentioned that Labour were looking at more devolution across England - mind you the North East voted against this a few years ago. Politically, some intetresting times ahead.

There is going to be a lot of plots and counter plots in Westminster over the next few months. I think it will also be an interesting General Election.

Agree malg I think the fallout from this will shape things to come for years

 

[mad4city]

It's most unappealing, but not entirely unexpected, that some of the leading lights of the 'yes" campaign are seeking to apportion blame for this result.

No-oe likes a bad loser.

They're an alignment of various interests who were united by a common goal and now remain bitterly disappointed. Faced now with the inevitable loss of standing in the eyes of the electorate and a need to save their political skins, naturally, the old fractures will quickly reappear. Over here, on the greener, more civilised island, with our written constitution, we get to hold far more referendums that ye do (yay, us!). Trust me, there is ALWAYS a bitch fest amongst the losers.
Don't kid yourself that it'd be any different had the result been reversed.

I wasn't referring to in-fighting. Quite the opposite. I was talking about blaming the result on 'the media' 'big business' and ' vested interests' like Tommy Sheridan did, for example. Sturgeon was talking a similar talk.

Maybe the people of Scotland didn't want independence.

Like I said, no-one likes a bad loser.

Sorry, my mistake.
And you're right about the result being what Scotland wanted and no more.

Personally, I think had this vote been taken ten or fifteen years ago, when the economy was booming and the Yes Campaign could've urged the electorate to look at how there'd never be a poor day in post-independence Ireland again, they'd have won by a landslide.
In a close run thing, especially during economically straitened times, people may say one thing but in the privacy of the ballot box their wallets speak louder than their idealism. That ultimately was the tipping point for me.

On a side note, how stupid was Cameron not to demand that any Yes vote would need to be carried by a super majority (say 60%, at least)? He's a lucky boy to still be in a job this morning. Imagine the fall out had either side won by one percent.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

They're an alignment of various interests who were united by a common goal and now remain bitterly disappointed. Faced now with the inevitable loss of standing in the eyes of the electorate and a need to save their political skins, naturally, the old fractures will quickly reappear. Over here, on the greener, more civilised island, with our written constitution, we get to hold far more referendums that ye do (yay, us!). Trust me, there is ALWAYS a bitch fest amongst the losers.
Don't kid yourself that it'd be any different had the result been reversed.

I wasn't referring to in-fighting. Quite the opposite. I was talking about blaming the result on 'the media' 'big business' and ' vested interests' like Tommy Sheridan did, for example. Sturgeon was talking a similar talk.

Maybe the people of Scotland didn't want independence.

Like I said, no-one likes a bad loser.

Sorry, my mistake.
And you're right about the result being what Scotland wanted and no more.

Personally, I think had this vote been taken ten or fifteen years ago, when the economy was booming and the Yes Campaign could've urged the electorate to look at how there'd never be a poor day in post-independence Ireland again, they'd have won by a landslide.
In a close run thing, especially during economically straitened times, people may say one thing but in the privacy of the ballot box their wallets speak louder than their idealism. That ultimately was the tipping point for me.

On a side note, how stupid was Cameron not to demand that any Yes vote would need to be carried by a super majority (say 60%, at least)? He's a lucky boy to still be in a job this morning. Imagine the fall out had either side won by one percent.

You make some good points, especially about changing comparisons with the Republic, but I disagree with your last point. I think Cameron had little choice in setting the bar at 50%. A 55% yes vote in a 60% super majority would have been a truly awful and divisive outcome.

He's taken a gamble and won, although not as big a gamble as some thought. I've previously posted on this thread on the power of the privacy of the ballot box. I always expected the power of conservatism to win the day in the end. In stable, western countries change is often viewed with some suspicion.

 

[forevermancity]

Time for Westminster to wake up. If 1.5m scots voted for the most un-thought out and naive 'yes' vote without having any stone wall facts it shows the distrust in the govt. there seems to be an undercurrent of bad feeling towards Scotland now in England and Wales (not sure about n.irleand)

Monumental few weeks ahead

 

[SiMCFC]

All I know is, the people of Glasgow that decided to make me unwelcome when I came to spend my gold within your City can 'get tee fack' and I will spend it somewhere else, somewhere that wanted to be part of our economy!

Glad it was a No vote though.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Happy Days... its not even finished and the abuse is rife. cue the kaiser chiefs[/

 

[goat boy]

Bad feeling? I admire the determination of the yes clan and feel sorry that they lost.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

All I know is, the people of Glasgow that decided to make me unwelcome when I came to spend my gold within your City can 'get tee fack' and I will spend it somewhere else, somewhere that wanted to be part of our economy!

Glad it was a No vote though.

William Wallace will be spinning in his grave - 'freeeeedommmmm'

He'll be spinning in all four of them. He was hung drawn and quartered.

 

[uweuweuwe]

That will teach me to panic buy all that irn - bru in tesco yesterday

 

[Len Rum]

I am deeply dissapointed.
To use a famous phrase: 'They Bottled It'

Gutted for you TGR.
I for one am proud to be British.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

I reckon that was the last chance gone for the Tory cunts to hold onto power next year
So not all bad news.