Scottish Independence

[Coatigan]

Since when does a seat majority equate to a percentage majority - the type of majority required to win a referendum?
They achieved it (just) in 2015 but were then tied by the 2014 referendum result.

Since when does it need to, or matter, or is in any way relevant?

fyi, in 2016 snp has 46.5 % and greens 6.6%, both promoted independence, so thats a majority 'percentage ' vote. NOT that i'm in any way suggesting that matters as such or represents a given conclusion that automatically translates to a desire for independence.

 

[Coatigan]

The SNP lost the Scotish referendum in 2014 and were bound by their pledge of waiting for a generation (30 years) to have another go. It takes a lot to get a 2nd bite at the cherry.
Leave won the 2016 UK referendum so the government is finally fulfilling the result of that referendum.

Bound by who? what pledge? saying it is a once in a generation opportunity, is in no way a binding agreement, with anyone. Thats like saying Westminster said if Scotland voted to remain in 2014, it would guarantee remaining in the EU, so brexit should never have even been asked of the public let alone implemented. bound by the pledge and what not

 

[hilts]

So we didn’t vote ‘as one’ and not all countries were treated equally making your argument redundant. And if one country is treated on a different basis you open the door for other countries to be treated differently.

I also enjoyed the irony that NI ‘was beyond our control’. Wasn’t Brexit all about ‘taking back control’?

The situation in NI is beyond our control,you can thank the minority of NI for that let’s hope they can actually sort their shit out eh? let’s see say NI voted overwhelmingly in favour of remain and let’s say Scotland And Wales also did but England voted leave. The total is 52 remain and 48 leave across the whole U.K. personally I would be respecting the result and would move on because you know democracy is quite important. However as a remainer i suppose you would be blabbing on about no fair on England?

Nah you would have won and would be quite happy to tell all and sundry that the U.K. as a whole voted remain.

That’s the problem see, people don’t like hypocrites ask those ex Labour MPs

 

[hilts]

There are stark differences in some peoples opinion on the UK being allowed to leave the European Union, and their opinion on Scotland leaving the UK/GB/Union. Its "almost" hypocritical.

I see many posters quite happy for Scotland to decide its own future once brexit is finally done. I would be more concerned with stormont and people getting paid for doing fuck all. I would leave the Scots to decide for themselves tbh.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

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Uppa Craicistan

 

[hilts]

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Uppa Craicistan

Before you know it the INP and SNP would be asking for independence referendums.

 

[BobKowalski]

The situation in NI is beyond our control,you can thank the minority of NI for that let’s hope they can actually sort their shit out eh? let’s see say NI voted overwhelmingly in favour of remain and let’s say Scotland And Wales also did but England voted leave. The total is 52 remain and 48 leave across the whole U.K. personally I would be respecting the result and would move on because you know democracy is quite important. However as a remainer i suppose you would be blabbing on about no fair on England?

Nah you would have won and would be quite happy to tell all and sundry that the U.K. as a whole voted remain.

That’s the problem see, people don’t like hypocrites ask those ex Labour MPs

No. For constitutional change on this scale you need the unaminous consent of all four countries in the union, or maybe three but tied to a percentage share of the overall vote reaching a threshold. If it’s not reached then the status quo applies.

It’s quite simple. We are either a sovereign United Kingdom were all four countries have equal status and weight or we are not. After 31st January it becomes a United Kingdom in name only when NI falls under the economic writ of the EU and we put up an internal customs border. When that happens is yet to be agreed but we have signed and are in the middle of ratifying an international treaty that states that this will happen.

If the Govt of the U.K. is willing to surrender its sole sovereignty over one country in our Union and contrary to the wishes of the citizens of that country then our Union is finished because it holds no value. Everything from now on is just pushing at an open door.

 

[hilts]

No. For constitutional change on this scale you need the unaminous consent of all four countries in the union, or maybe three but tied to a percentage share of the overall vote reaching a threshold. If it’s not reached then the status quo applies.

It’s quite simple. We are either a sovereign United Kingdom were all four countries have equal status and weight or we are not. After 31st January it becomes a United Kingdom in name only when NI falls under the economic writ of the EU and we put up an internal customs border. When that happens is yet to be agreed but we have signed and are in the middle of ratifying an international treaty that states that this will happen.

If the Govt of the U.K. is willing to surrender its sole sovereignty over one country in our Union and contrary to the wishes of the citizens of that country then our Union is finished because it holds no value. Everything from now on is just pushing at an open door.

That’s the opinion according to Bob and has no relevance at all. Let’s try this one to see if you will just give up and accept you lost and rightly are entitled to the opinion that it was a bad decision by the U.K.

Let’s go with the bobs 3 have to agree rule. Scotland vote to remain by 0.1% Wales by 0.1% but England and NI vote to leave by a landslide. Let’s say 10 million more people voted leave. You staying in? Let’s say 3 countries want to leave but England wanted to remain and the total votes remain edged it. You leaving? You coming in here demanding we leave. Give it up fella.

What democratic nonsense in the world according to Bob are you trying to pull with these?

Maybe in a union majority rules, you now like the law actually says.

 

[Ban-jani]

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Uppa Craicistan

Lol

 

[Magicpole]

Bound by who? what pledge? saying it is a once in a generation opportunity, is in no way a binding agreement, with anyone. Thats like saying Westminster said if Scotland voted to remain in 2014, it would guarantee remaining in the EU, so brexit should never have even been asked of the public let alone implemented. bound by the pledge and what not

I laugh when I read the once in a generation pish.that was one man who said that. One fucking man. No single perswon decides what we do. The SNP stood on a manifesto of another Ref. The Tories had one objective, a vote for them would prevent Indy 2.

They lost 60% of their seats. The SNP won 81% of the seats, gaining 13 more than 2017. We deserve a vote. We voted for it. The SNP had a higher % of the vote than that lying fat bastard and more seats. Yet all I hear is his overwhelming mandate. Well if that lying Toffy nosed Bellend has a mandate, so do we.