Security at the Etihad

mashipx said:
The way i see it is this. Im a S/C holder. Like most of you on here. I sit in the same place every week. I know pretty much every face within a given radius. I imagine all the people around me see the same, as would your selves. When you get to your seat on saturday have a ganders around you for all your familiar faces. If you see someone out of place, a non regular who doesnt appear to be showing any interest in the footy then report that person to a steward. If someone reported me for a check, I wouldnt mind, im an innocent. Its not just up to the officials in this country to do all the work. Its up to us also to be vigilante within reason and common sense. Anyone carrying a bomb who is about to blow them selves up will not be acting normally, even if they believe in what they are doing. Its human nature. At the very least they will be praying before committing such a weak, selfish and evil act.
So without being excesively paranoid on saturday, show some awareness. If the officials are seroius about checking they will of been issued and trained this week to use hand scanners that scan for tell tale conductive materials on the way into the ground and all staff will be checked out well before gate open times, even there back backgrounds if need be. So let enjoy the game on saturday.
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Bloody hell. This is exactly what we don't want to become.
 
Just before I forget. I promised this post to @Gelsons Dad IIRC.

All this talk of profiling. Well, I've been flying as an adult since the 80s. I've always had hassle, even when in a suit on business. Mostly at British airports but abroad as well. Now they've started on my kids. My 12 years old was asked last year what my name was at Manchester Immigration. We are both born and bred Mancunians.

In my experience, only white people think that it's something new. For me, it's any new crisis, same old racist shit. The end. No more. Back to footy. CTID
 
crmcfc said:
Its need to be looked out with an over arching view and a bit of common sense applied, if any of this made the public 1% safer it is worth it. I think I have defined the "selection" criteria obviously you would do this alongside random searches of Joe Public. I'm happy to be stopped, searched or whenever is required.

Look in an ideal world you should not stop more Asian/middle eastern folk, or welcome job application from minorities ahead of white people, or discriminate on sexuality, treat crime against black person more seriously than a white, have so few black people in positions of authority it goes on and on but we are decades away from where we should be.

It is radicalised British muslims and similar from across Europe that have posed a threat over the last 5 years. I think the risk from Boko Haram or AL Shabaab in the UK mainline is so minimal that you point is pointless.

You saying it is dangerous to wider society suggests its OK to commit acts of terrorism because your bag got searched beggars belief really, this is why we are in this position.

Lets stick to football I guess.
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I don't think it's ok to commit acts of terrorism anywhere ever. I'm saying the cost of treating a whole demographic of people like second class citizens based on the colour of their skin would by far outweigh the benefit. Surely that's obvious to anyone. Do I think someone would go and join ISIS because they were searched on their way into the match? No. But what you're suggesting would only make sense if it was applied across the board at every major football ground, music concert, shopping centre and any other target in the country. The spectacle of that would almost certainly make it easier for ISIS to recruit. It would be an awful state of affairs.

As for my comments on Boko Haram, I wasn't meaning that they would be behind the attacks, but ISIS could easily borrow one of their men for an attack if they wanted. There is precedent for this. In the 1972 the PFLP hired in Japanese militants to carry out a gun massacre in an Israeli airport for exactly this reason.

As soon as any measures like you're suggesting were introduced, a terrorist organisation could easily find somebody who didn't meet your criteria to work around it. There is also strong evidence suggesting that channeling efforts into needless racial profiling often takes the attention away from where the real attack is.
 
coleridge said:
Just before I forget. I promised this post to @Gelsons Dad IIRC.

All this talk of profiling. Well, I've been flying as an adult since the 80s. I've always had hassle, even when in a suit on business. Mostly at British airports but abroad as well. Now they've started on my kids. My 12 years old was asked last year what my name was at Manchester Immigration. We are both born and bred Mancunians.

In my experience, only white people think that it's something new. For me, it's any new crisis, same old racist shit. The end. No more. Back to footy. CTID
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I have had the same thing at Manchester Airport through which I travel at least once a month. I was once advised to shave off my beard if I didn't like being given special attention.It was about ten years ago. I missed my flight that day because I was in a meeting with his manager at my request. She was somewhat embarrassed when she learned my background and very apologetic when he admitted what he had said.

Having said all of that. I'm not completely against profiling but would like it to work both ways. I was very heavily positively vetted due to my first flying job in the RAF. I would be quite happy to go through the same process every six months or so if it meant I could jump the security queue at airports.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
I have had the same thing at Manchester Airport through which I travel at least once a month. I was once advised to shave off my beard if I didn't like being given special attention.It was about ten years ago. I missed my flight that day because I was in a meeting with his manager at my request. She was somewhat embarrassed when she learned my background and very apologetic when he admitted what he had said.

Having said all of that. I'm not completely against profiling but would like it to work both ways. I was very heavily positively vetted due to my first flying job in the RAF. I would be quite happy to go through the same process every six months or so if it meant I could jump the security queue at airports.
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It may cost too much to vet the entire population. However, there is an E-Gate system at Dubai Airport. I have never used it as I am usually travelling with the kids. I think that creates a pre-vetting system but I can't be sure. Then you are essentially 'opting in' to the system and paying a nominal sum. I'm not an expert. Someone on here will know.

It would certainly be preferable to being almost continuously asked where I am coming from, where I am going to, what's the name of the hotel, what's the post code and so on, whilst some loud drunken white people with no dress sense are waived through. I go stopped at the carousel last year. 'Is that your bag sir'?' 'Erm, yes'. 'Fine, you can carry on'. WTF
 
Gelsons Dad said:
I have had the same thing at Manchester Airport through which I travel at least once a month. I was once advised to shave off my beard if I didn't like being given special attention.
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I think you went a bit too far though:

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moomba said:
Yeah, wasn't entirely serious there. More mocking the suggestion that bags should be banned.
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Sorry, the humour was lost on me Haha. Sometimes hard to judge humour from wiring!
 
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