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Security at the Etihad
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Millwallawayveteran1988
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I would have thought security at all venues will be stepped up but I would imagine spot checks are more likely to be done on a profiling basis aren't they?
Bit like someone (lets call him Paul Smith) at passport control coming back from a 2 week jaunt in Magaluf with a UK passport is less likely to be scrutinised at the passport gate than someone from the Yemen visiting his auntie for a week.
Bit like someone (lets call him Paul Smith) at passport control coming back from a 2 week jaunt in Magaluf with a UK passport is less likely to be scrutinised at the passport gate than someone from the Yemen visiting his auntie for a week.
Ducado
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I only ever think will we win, lose or drawPractically every time I go to our stadium I think of terrorism. At the risk of scaremongering, given that the whole stadium is held up by cables, how easy would it be to bring the whole damn lot down with a few bombs outside the stadium?
prestonibbo_mcfc
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If anyone is a bit worried about going on Saturday, I'll buy your ticket off you.
If they're that worried, surely you could have it for nowt.
lancs blue
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You've just got to get on with life exactly how you usually would. Do exactly what you always do and enjoy yourself as much as possible. That is how to deal with a terror threat not being careful (whatever that means) and living in fear.
Bingo! You can't live worrying that a suicide bomber is around the next corner, if people took that attitude they'd hide in their bedroom all the time as they might get run over crossing the road.
malg
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You have a very good point.If they're that worried, surely you could have it for nowt.
If anyone is worried about going on Saturday, I'll have your ticket - and as I'm putting my life on the line (see prestonibbo post above) I don't expect to pay you anything.
Thanks.
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lazerblue
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id rather take my chances with 20 benson than some gun wielding maniac thanksMore people die from smoking than terrorist activity...
JJ
didsburyblu
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Think we'll be fine on Saturday it's the munchengladbach game where we get all the tourists turning up with rucksacks were gonna have problems as will take an age to get in
wagonman
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id rather take my chances with 20 benson than some gun wielding maniac thanks
I predict that you will never, ever be confronted by a gun wielding maniac...
but if you want to chance your luck with 20 B&Hs regularly, then I am sure you will die sooner than you need to.
If they patted down everyone and took their cigs off them, that would leave the wonderful Showsec staff free to keep an eye out for terrorists (and fans standing up).
They could also stop "fans" from leaving before the final whistle.
JJ
bluemoon98
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Belgium vs Spain has been called off due to raised terror alerts.
I suppose being all that's happened in Belgium yesterday it's more acceptable as they may be abit more reluctant
I suppose being all that's happened in Belgium yesterday it's more acceptable as they may be abit more reluctant
From a terrorist perspective, the packed buses and trams immediately before and after the games would be the logical targets.
Why target a vast area with top notch CCTV and a large security and police presence? Nobody would think twice of some freak getting on a 216 in Ashton with a hold all, timed to to arrive at the Etihad just after full time.
Just keep your eyes open for shady behaviour and luggage on your way to and from the game.
Why target a vast area with top notch CCTV and a large security and police presence? Nobody would think twice of some freak getting on a 216 in Ashton with a hold all, timed to to arrive at the Etihad just after full time.
Just keep your eyes open for shady behaviour and luggage on your way to and from the game.
Prestwich_Blue
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If you're going to blow yourself to kingdom come and take many innocents with you, then CCTV & Showsec are likely to be low on your list of things to worry about.From a terrorist perspective, the packed buses and trams immediately before and after the games would be the logical targets. Why target a vast area with top notch CCTV and a large security and police presence?
TCIB
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You need eyes on milling around in the crowd a long time before it get's near the ground. Almost impossible to do.
Staying incognito and maintaining effectiveness in surveillance is hard to do and takes a lot of training to do well.
There are simply not that many ex military types who have done surveillance to the degree needed available. They would also cost a lot as you would need a fair few and their skills are not cheap.
The only workable situation is the x-ray cameras. I can't see how you can ever have enough feet on the ground to nullify all threats.
A computer algorithm never switches of or gets tired, it helps with the personal intrusion issue a bit to. R2D2 is not going to start furiously fapping his todger seeing your aunt liz go commando on a night out in town is it.
Staying incognito and maintaining effectiveness in surveillance is hard to do and takes a lot of training to do well.
There are simply not that many ex military types who have done surveillance to the degree needed available. They would also cost a lot as you would need a fair few and their skills are not cheap.
The only workable situation is the x-ray cameras. I can't see how you can ever have enough feet on the ground to nullify all threats.
A computer algorithm never switches of or gets tired, it helps with the personal intrusion issue a bit to. R2D2 is not going to start furiously fapping his todger seeing your aunt liz go commando on a night out in town is it.
From a terrorist perspective, the packed buses and trams immediately before and after the games would be the logical targets.
Why target a vast area with top notch CCTV and a large security and police presence? Nobody would think twice of some freak getting on a 216 in Ashton with a hold all, timed to to arrive at the Etihad just after full time.
Just keep your eyes open for shady behaviour and luggage on your way to and from the game.
That could add up to about 10,000 people at a typical football game. Those blokes heading into the toilet cubicles at half time looking a bit furtive, terrorists or desperate for a cig?
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There is no way to search everyone adequately unless we had full airport style security at every entrance and there is not the time to do this and get everyone into the ground. At present it best protection is probably the potential to bring terror into the homes of 659m plastics by bombing the other place with its Jewish/American owners instead
They'd look to exploit the situation financially if that happened. They have history of that don't you know.There is no way to search everyone adequately unless we had full airport style security at every entrance and there is not the time to do this and get everyone into the ground. At present it best protection is probably the potential to bring terror into the homes of 659m plastics by bombing the other place with its Jewish/American owners instead
Prestwich_Blue
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They hate our owners even more so I wouldn't get too complacent.There is no way to search everyone adequately unless we had full airport style security at every entrance and there is not the time to do this and get everyone into the ground. At present it best protection is probably the potential to bring terror into the homes of 659m plastics by bombing the other place with its Jewish/American owners instead
Chris in London
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They hate our owners even more so I wouldn't get too complacent.
True, but they must surely appreciate how badly an attack on a muslim owned club would go down in the broader islamic community. Given that the rags have 650 billion followers worldwide and there isn't the risk of the same backlash, unless they have the resources to target both (which they may well do) you would have to say they are at greater risk than we are.
No reason though, as you say, to get complacent at all.
GaudinoMotors
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Bluemoon's version of Cobra; all that's missing is the intelligence.
Prestwich_Blue
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True, but they must surely appreciate how badly an attack on a muslim owned club would go down in the broader islamic community. Given that the rags have 650 billion followers worldwide and there isn't the risk of the same backlash, unless they have the resources to target both (which they may well do) you would have to say they are at greater risk than we are.
I disagree. Killing other Muslims, even fellow Sunnis, clearly doesn't bother them at all. Their philosophy of extreme brutality is no accident as it regards fear as a far more effective means of cowing people than any other method. In fact, having read that article in The Atlantic, they would probably regard it as a greater PR coup to be seen as directly confronting a group of fellow Sunni Muslims who they see as representing the worst kind of westernised, US-sympathising Arab regime, rather than an American-Jewish owned club. Their primary objective is not necessarily the destruction of our way of life but establishing themselves as the true representatives of Islam. Doing that clearly involves defeating those who they regard as false representatives.
In fact groups like ISIS have developed the Islamic concept of takfir, which is effectively an accusation of apostasy and wasn't previously used lightly, as applying to anyone who isn't fighting against their government (the concept of political government is anathema to them). Certainly it's a juicy choice if they're looking at one or another but that lengthy an in-depth article seemed to suggest that it's currently more important to them to establish their supremacy in the Muslim world. And that can be done by fear more effectively than persuasion.
So while the concept of targeting Old Trafford may appear more appealing when taken at face value, a more detailed understanding of their motives would tend to suggest the Etihad is a more tempting target.