Sergio's Offside, factually definitive or interpretive ?

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I agree. I think that terminology will be gone next season. It's never made any sense to me. If we're going to have the technology then I think most would be happy with it just being applied consistently to check anything from "we might have got this wrong" to "clear and obvious".

I am a proponent of the use of VAR. But I would insist on three things: firstly, VAR isn't remotely connected to 'VARiable' corrections, secondly several angles are used, INDEPENDENTLY of the broadcasters who stump up the money to televise the games, and thirdly, the angles are shown on the stadium screens. If Uefa choose an alternative method of applying VAR I would need little convincing that they want to be in a position to 'manipulate' the result!

 

[ctid1894]

The image used by many posters on Bluemoon, VAR officials and the media clearly shows the following:

The ball hits Bernardo on his right shin (the left shin as we’re looking it the image) agreed?

The image “as we’re looking it” shows the ball to the right of Bernardo’s left shin agreed?

Aguero is to Bernardo’s left “as we’re looking at it”, agreed?

If the ball has already hit Bernardo (been played), the ball could only be going back towards Eriksen agreed?

However the ball travels towards Aguero, so it’s physically impossible that the ball has already hit Bernardo at that exact moment in the image everyone is claiming to be proven.

Personally I think it’s too close to call and until we have VR 360 degree cameras to prove it either way, we should stick to the “clear and obvious” error message regarding other VAR interpretations as that’s all offside is in very close cases like this.

 

[Delphinho]

The picture off Aguero in an offside position was not taken at the right time. Baffling how no one has seen that

 

[lasereyes]

It was the correct decision, but what is gutting is Aguero was about as offside as Salah was for Liverpool's opener at Anfield last year. And that's way before any of the other more blatant fuck-ups that turned the tie.

But i do believe luck evens out. I have a feeling that something similar will go our way in the league before the ribbons are put on the trophy in May.

 

[lasereyes]

Another question, why didn't VAR intervene when it was clear and obvious that Vertonghen had entered the penalty area prior to Sergio taking his spot kick, thereby gleaning an unfair advantage or that Lloris has moved before Sergio had taken his kick? Seems VAR is only used when it suits.....

Well all goalkeepers move before penalties are taken, but you are 100% right on Vertonghen, particularly as he was first to the rebound and cleared the ball.

 

[SebastianBlue]

The picture off Aguero in an offside position was not taken at the right time. Baffling how no one has seen that

I’ve just watched again (further breaking me heart a tiny bit) and... you know... you may be right:



This just furthers my view that VAR can (And will) be manipulated to ensure certain outcomes. Maybe Sergio was actually offside, but because of how the broadcasters chose to review the incident (and the lack of transparency from VAR), we’ll never know for sure *how* they checked to confirm (that is, when did they freeze frame to assess).

It does look like the ball was on the right side of Bernie’s leg for the frame used by the broadcasters, rather than the left side which would be in line with accepted practice for offside calls (when the ball leaves the foot, not when it makes contact)... the latter might have put Sergio onside and the goal would have stood.

 

[shemnel]

The picture off Aguero in an offside position was not taken at the right time. Baffling how no one has seen that

Are you saying the freeze frame is too late or too early?

 

[Blue Hefner]

It was offside but it's definitely a hard one to take as it was in the most marginal and unfortunate of circumstances.

The one aspect I find most open to interpretation however is was it "clear and obvious". Should VAR have even been used in the first place?

I generally agree with what you are saying bit "clear and obvious" is not a factor when it comes to off-side. Off-side is a matter of fact

 

[Delphinho]

I’ve just watched again (further breaking me heart a tiny bit) and... you know... you may be right:



This just furthers my view that VAR can (And will) be manipulated to ensure certain outcomes. Maybe Sergio was actually offside, but because of how the broadcasters chose to review the incident (and the lack of transparency from VAR), we’ll never know for sure what they checked to confirm.

VAR is not gonna help when idiots are operating it. I still stand by that the picture off Aguero is not taken at the right time, and they didn`t show the ref the angle behind the goal that clearly showed that Llorente touched it with his hand. Not blaming the ref for that one, cause he could only see 1 shite angle where you couldn`t see if it touched his hand or not. The fact that they didn`t even show him all possible angles is just shocking. If we were thrown out of the CL for a season or two I wouldn`t give a flying fuck. UEFA is corrupt as hell

 

[mayo31]

It was the correct decision, but what is gutting is Aguero was about as offside as Salah was for Liverpool's opener at Anfield last year. And that's way before any of the other more blatant fuck-ups that turned the tie.

But i do believe luck evens out. I have a feeling that something similar will go our way in the league before the ribbons are put on the trophy in May.

I have a feeling we will get stitched up in the league