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Serial Killer at large in Manchester?
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and some tissues...
GX Blue
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pominoz said:GX Blue said:To save me going through 53 pages can anyone who visits this topic oftern summerise how many bodies have turned up then in Manchester waters then?
From page 35,,,,,
Below is a map of the areas where bodies were found within the city centre. What stood out for me was 11 and 12 - 26Y/O M and a 20 - 30Y/O F - discovered within the space of 6 days in virtually the same location.
Also, if it is those making their way home from a night out, the majority of them have made it some distance from the centre.
City centre areas -
1) Nathan Tomlinson – Male – 21Y/O – Disappeared 17 December, 2010 – Discovered February 10, 2011 – River Irwell, near the Adelphi Bridge.
2) NOT PLACED -CAN SOMEONE LOCATE. Gurdeep Hayer – Male – 20Y/O – Disappeared 2 January, 2012 – Discovered 10 January, 2012 – River Medlock, near York Street
3) Chris Brahney – Male – 22Y/O – Disappeared 29 June, 2012 – Discovered 9 July, 2012 – Manchester Ship Canal, close to MediaCityUK.
4) Michael Turner – Male – 43Y/O – Disappeared 20 July, 2012 – Discovered 28 July, 2012 – River Irk, Batty Street, Cheetham Hill.
5) ? – Male – 45Y/O – ? – Discovered 29 October, 2012 – Next to Rochdale Canal, Miles Platting. [http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/body-of-45-year-old-man-found-near-801291]
7) Souvik Pal – Male – 19Y/O – Disappeared 31 December, 2012 – Discovered January 22, 2013 – Bridgewater Canal, near Old Trafford
10) ? – Male – Twenties to Forties - ? – Discovered 17 March 2013 – Pomona Docks, Trafford.
[http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-ask-help-solve-mystery-2521879]
11) ? – Male – 26Y/O –? - Discovered 6 April, 2013 – Rochdale Canal, near Dale Street.
[http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-dies-after-falling-manchester-2522832]
12) ? – FEMALE – Twenties to Thirty - ? – Discovered 12 April, 2013 - ? Canal on Ducie Street.
[http://mancunianmatters.co.uk/content/12049882-woman-found-dead-manchester-%E2%80%93-body-pulled-city-centre-canal]
13) ? – Male - ? - ? – Discovered 5 May, 2013 –Rochdale Canal, Old Church Street in Newton Heath.
[http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-probe-launched-after-man-3414347]
14) TBC – TBC – TBC – TBC – Discovered 5 August, 2013 – Rochdale Canal, under bridge on Butler Street.
[http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/body-found-rochdale-canal-ancoats-5638384]
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Spoiler contains the larger map which includes
6) Michael Simpson – Male – 22Y/O – Disappeared 31 December, 2012 – Discovered 9 January, 2012 – River Goyt, by Peer Mill industrial estate, Bredbury.
and
9) ? – Male – Early 50’s - ? – Discovered 1 March, 2013 – Rochdale Canal, near Rose of Lancaster pub & Mills Hill railway station.
[http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/body-found-rochdale-canal-near-1691308]
Nathan Tyler (8) is not included on the map, although was discovered in Latchford Locks, Warrington on 1 February, 2013.
Christ, a fair few then.... Interesting.
Thanks for that mate.
StrangewaysHereWeCome
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This and only this.St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:Alcohol and swimming are not best suited to each other
On the 9/11 Thread we all laughed at the conspiracy theorists yet a few on here are believing that a serial killer is out and about!! YCNMIU[/quote]
Come on mate.. what has 9/11 got to.do with this? Some of us on here are just a bit skeptical of the amount of drowning and in seemingly a concentrated area. It doesn't make us tinfoil heads! People are being murdered and dumped in the water, they've just done a gang of thieves for it and what about the poor soul they recovered last night? I suppose they fell into the bin bag and then the canal? Bin liners and alcohol... terrible combination! ;-)
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Gay Village body in canal: 'There was a big splash ... we saw someone walking away over the bridge'
A post mortem has begun on a body which was found floating in the canal in the heart of Manchester's Gay Village.
Police were called to Canal Street on Sunday afternoon – after a couple on a barge are believed to have reported seeing a human body in the water.
Officers dismissed original reports that it was wrapped in a black bag but said it was too early to say whether the death was suspicious.
Bob Ramsbottom, 56, landlord of the New Union pub on Canal Street said: “We were upstairs on Friday night at around 10.30pm when we heard a very big splash.
“I looked out of the window – we saw someone walking away over the bridge. In nine years, there has been quite a few bodies found in this canal.”
Detectives cordoned off the scene near GAY bar and Princess Street while the canal was partially drained.
Divers from the North West Underwater Police Unit then went into the water and used a hook to pull the body through the water before it was hauled onto the bank under a bridge.
Police find body floating in canal at Manchester's Gay Village
Shocked onlookers watched as a large black bag was seen being loaded onto a stretcher and wheeled into a forensics tent where photos were taken.
An eye witness said he saw people on a canal boat stop at the lock and then peer into the water.
It is believed the people on the boat called the police and were later seen being interviewed by officers.
Onlookers watched as a large black bag was seen being loaded onto a stretcher and wheeled into a forensics tent where photos were taken.
Witnesses said they saw the body in the water within a bag – but police said they believed the body was not sealed inside a bag but may have had one floating on top of it or become tangled in it.
William Johnston, 22, a customer at GAY, said: “We looked out into the canal when the police arrived and saw a black bag floating. You could only see one end of it but then the police prodded it with a stick and it turned around and you could see it was shaped like a body. We saw the divers go in and drag the bag along the canal and take it out.”
James Lemons, 31, said: “We looked into the canal and it was like you could see hair floating in the water out of the top of the bag but you couldn’t see what was attached to it.”
Lewis Knight, a student at the Royal Northern College of Music, said: “I have only been here two weeks and on my first walk out this is what I’ve seen. It is shocking to say the least.”
Another witness said they saw people on a canal boat stop at the lock and then peer into the water. It is believed the people on the boat called the police and were later seen being interviewed by officers.
Police say that a post mortem was begun at 9am on Monday which they hope will determine how the person died.
Police confirmed a body had been found but said it was too early to say how long it had been in the water or how the person came by their death.
A spokeswoman said: “Just before 3.40pm on Sunday police were called to Canal Street near Union Street in Manchester city centre, to reports that there was a body believed to be in the water.
“Officers and underwater search teams located and recovered the body from the water.
“Enquiries are ongoing to identify the individual and establish if there are any suspicious circumstances.”
Police confirmed a body had been found but said it was too soon to say how long the body had been in the water or how the person came by their death.
A spokeswoman for Greater Manchester Police said: "Just before 3.40pm on Sunday police were called to Canal Street near Union Street in Manchester city centre, to reports that there was a body believed to be in the water.
"Officers and underwater search teams located and recovered the body from the water.
"Enquiries are ongoing to identify the individual and establish if there are any suspicious circumstances."
Gay Village body in canal: 'There was a big splash ... we saw someone walking away over the bridge'
A post mortem has begun on a body which was found floating in the canal in the heart of Manchester's Gay Village.
Police were called to Canal Street on Sunday afternoon – after a couple on a barge are believed to have reported seeing a human body in the water.
Officers dismissed original reports that it was wrapped in a black bag but said it was too early to say whether the death was suspicious.
Bob Ramsbottom, 56, landlord of the New Union pub on Canal Street said: “We were upstairs on Friday night at around 10.30pm when we heard a very big splash.
“I looked out of the window – we saw someone walking away over the bridge. In nine years, there has been quite a few bodies found in this canal.”
Detectives cordoned off the scene near GAY bar and Princess Street while the canal was partially drained.
Divers from the North West Underwater Police Unit then went into the water and used a hook to pull the body through the water before it was hauled onto the bank under a bridge.
Police find body floating in canal at Manchester's Gay Village
Shocked onlookers watched as a large black bag was seen being loaded onto a stretcher and wheeled into a forensics tent where photos were taken.
An eye witness said he saw people on a canal boat stop at the lock and then peer into the water.
It is believed the people on the boat called the police and were later seen being interviewed by officers.
Onlookers watched as a large black bag was seen being loaded onto a stretcher and wheeled into a forensics tent where photos were taken.
Witnesses said they saw the body in the water within a bag – but police said they believed the body was not sealed inside a bag but may have had one floating on top of it or become tangled in it.
William Johnston, 22, a customer at GAY, said: “We looked out into the canal when the police arrived and saw a black bag floating. You could only see one end of it but then the police prodded it with a stick and it turned around and you could see it was shaped like a body. We saw the divers go in and drag the bag along the canal and take it out.”
James Lemons, 31, said: “We looked into the canal and it was like you could see hair floating in the water out of the top of the bag but you couldn’t see what was attached to it.”
Lewis Knight, a student at the Royal Northern College of Music, said: “I have only been here two weeks and on my first walk out this is what I’ve seen. It is shocking to say the least.”
Another witness said they saw people on a canal boat stop at the lock and then peer into the water. It is believed the people on the boat called the police and were later seen being interviewed by officers.
Police say that a post mortem was begun at 9am on Monday which they hope will determine how the person died.
Police confirmed a body had been found but said it was too early to say how long it had been in the water or how the person came by their death.
A spokeswoman said: “Just before 3.40pm on Sunday police were called to Canal Street near Union Street in Manchester city centre, to reports that there was a body believed to be in the water.
“Officers and underwater search teams located and recovered the body from the water.
“Enquiries are ongoing to identify the individual and establish if there are any suspicious circumstances.”
Police confirmed a body had been found but said it was too soon to say how long the body had been in the water or how the person came by their death.
A spokeswoman for Greater Manchester Police said: "Just before 3.40pm on Sunday police were called to Canal Street near Union Street in Manchester city centre, to reports that there was a body believed to be in the water.
"Officers and underwater search teams located and recovered the body from the water.
"Enquiries are ongoing to identify the individual and establish if there are any suspicious circumstances."
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Be interesting if it's a young male.
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This is my favourite thread in the Cellar.
Show me one bit of evidence,which is what is required - normally found on the body - to say any of these people have been murdered.
People are talking as if there is a huge cover up.Not at all. The majority of people die in canals when they are under the influence of drink or drugs or as a result of becoming disorientated when trying to make there way home - again usually under the influence of something.
If there was a cover up going on it would mean all of the agencies involved in investigating these so called sus deaths are hiding something.
The police,The Crime scene investigators,The home office forensic pathologist,the Coronor - It is simply not possible when a body is found for ALL these agencies to think fuck it we have got another one,we need to cover it up.
Don't get me wrong,there appears to be a larger number than average however In my opinion there is no way a serial killer on the loose in Manchester stalking the canals.
I am not saying that if someone has killed someone they would not dump the body in a canal however this is slightly different to a serial killer being on the loose and there is no evidence to support this.
Show me one bit of evidence,which is what is required - normally found on the body - to say any of these people have been murdered.
People are talking as if there is a huge cover up.Not at all. The majority of people die in canals when they are under the influence of drink or drugs or as a result of becoming disorientated when trying to make there way home - again usually under the influence of something.
If there was a cover up going on it would mean all of the agencies involved in investigating these so called sus deaths are hiding something.
The police,The Crime scene investigators,The home office forensic pathologist,the Coronor - It is simply not possible when a body is found for ALL these agencies to think fuck it we have got another one,we need to cover it up.
Don't get me wrong,there appears to be a larger number than average however In my opinion there is no way a serial killer on the loose in Manchester stalking the canals.
I am not saying that if someone has killed someone they would not dump the body in a canal however this is slightly different to a serial killer being on the loose and there is no evidence to support this.
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Cheers for the insight into police routine. It all helps.
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:This is my favourite thread in the Cellar.
Show me one bit of evidence,which is what is required - normally found on the body - to say any of these people have been murdered.
People are talking as if there is a huge cover up.Not at all. The majority of people die in canals when they are under the influence of drink or drugs or as a result of becoming disorientated when trying to make there way home - again usually under the influence of something.
If there was a cover up going on it would mean all of the agencies involved in investigating these so called sus deaths are hiding something.
The police,The Crime scene investigators,The home office forensic pathologist,the Coronor - It is simply not possible when a body is found for ALL these agencies to think fuck it we have got another one,we need to cover it up.
Don't get me wrong,there appears to be a larger number than average however In my opinion there is no way a serial killer on the loose in Manchester stalking the canals.
I am not saying that if someone has killed someone they would not dump the body in a canal however this is slightly different to a serial killer being on the loose and there is no evidence to support this.
its what been said that gets me in some of the Coronor reports they call the death drowning, but how did they drown was it like the case the other day when a gang of people would not help the person out of the water after pushing him in
is it a unsolvable questions that the person fell or was pushed in when drunk
or was the person died before the being dumped in the canal
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johnny on the spot said:Cheers for the insight into police routine. It all helps.
Johnny-I'm not a copper but as you know I work for them.
In my 15 yrs service I have unfortunately had to deal with incidents involving bodies being found in all sorts of weird and wonderful places. Canals are popular for sure however there are set procedures in place everytime a body is found,mainly to preserve any forensic evidence which will assist in identifying the deceased and any evidence in relation to how they died and also to try to identify if any foul play is involved. If foul play is involved then obviously a murder enquiry is launched but even prior to this all evidence will be hopefully preserved to assist in identifying the deceased and or potential offender/s.<br /><br />-- Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:21 pm --<br /><br />
ancoats said:St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:This is my favourite thread in the Cellar.
Show me one bit of evidence,which is what is required - normally found on the body - to say any of these people have been murdered.
People are talking as if there is a huge cover up.Not at all. The majority of people die in canals when they are under the influence of drink or drugs or as a result of becoming disorientated when trying to make there way home - again usually under the influence of something.
If there was a cover up going on it would mean all of the agencies involved in investigating these so called sus deaths are hiding something.
The police,The Crime scene investigators,The home office forensic pathologist,the Coronor - It is simply not possible when a body is found for ALL these agencies to think fuck it we have got another one,we need to cover it up.
Don't get me wrong,there appears to be a larger number than average however In my opinion there is no way a serial killer on the loose in Manchester stalking the canals.
I am not saying that if someone has killed someone they would not dump the body in a canal however this is slightly different to a serial killer being on the loose and there is no evidence to support this.
its what been said that gets me in some of the Coronor reports they call the death drowning, but how did they drown was it like the case the other day when a gang of people would not help the person out of the water after pushing him in
is it a unsolvable questions that the person fell or was pushed in when drunk
or was the person died before the being dumped in the canal
You make a valid point-If someone cannot swim and is pushed in,a single push and left to die how will the coronor ever know? That is the million dollar question but think about it. A serial killer pushing people into a canal when they could murder in any other way and what are the chances of them randomly selecting a non swimmer on all these occasions??
As per my previous post even though you may not agree with what the coronor says (of course they may get it wrong periodically) but they can only go on the evidence that is gathered by csi,pathologists etc. Even a non swimmer could make a valiant attempt to get to the side of a canal and if there was a struggle beforehand then the body would show some signs of that,bruising,scratching.
I honestly think, yes there are some that have fallen in and drowned resulting from too much alcohol or drugs but I bet there are more than we know of that have also been pushed in and drowned too, not necessarily by the same person or persons.
The gang that got caught for being responisble for Simon Brass last year proves it can happen. it's only because they got caught we know about it. I also wonder if they are responsible for other deaths before this that they have gotten away with. They obviously have been capable of it.
Who knows.
The gang that got caught for being responisble for Simon Brass last year proves it can happen. it's only because they got caught we know about it. I also wonder if they are responsible for other deaths before this that they have gotten away with. They obviously have been capable of it.
Who knows.