As we all know, stats can be read anyway you want them to.
We are talking about when a player takes a direct corner aiming to get it into the box. Not one of our players seems able to beat the first defender.
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We are talking about when a player takes a direct corner aiming to get it into the box. Not one of our players seems able to beat the first defender.
There more than one way to skin a rabbit.
There’s your gut feeling and then there’s the data.
The data states we were the 3rd highest scorers from corners.
If Foden takes a short corner to Kdb who squares it for Gundo to score, that's a goal from a corner.
We were talking about when a player goes direct, they rarely beat the first defender, for an elite team that is very poor.
It's a pity we can't split the stats to show how poor we are at it.
Last season I reckon we had the most set pieces in the league though. A more relevant statistic would be the conversion percentage of said set pieces.
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Across all teams, the success rate of a goal coming from a corner is between 2 and 3%.
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Sadly, half the corners that go in should be fouls…and half of those should be penalties!
This Arsenal (et al) tactic of crowding the keeper (holding, blocking, bumping, etc..) is bollocks and Arsenal have been getting away with murder.
That said, there’s a certain beauty in a big center half taking a good run at a cross and nailing it into the roof of the net!
Rather than complaining about corners, though, I’d just as soon we give the opposition every throw-in we earn, because we usually give it away anyway, so why not set up for it defensively from the get go?!
And, speaking of opposition throw-ins, if we made it any easier for them to find a man, it could be considered cheating or a gambling fix!
And, lastly, when was the last one we did a cheeky free kick move? Last I can remember is sliding it through along the ground to Alvarez to score…and he doesn’t play here anymore!!!
This Arsenal (et al) tactic of crowding the keeper (holding, blocking, bumping, etc..) is bollocks and Arsenal have been getting away with murder.
That said, there’s a certain beauty in a big center half taking a good run at a cross and nailing it into the roof of the net!
Rather than complaining about corners, though, I’d just as soon we give the opposition every throw-in we earn, because we usually give it away anyway, so why not set up for it defensively from the get go?!
And, speaking of opposition throw-ins, if we made it any easier for them to find a man, it could be considered cheating or a gambling fix!
And, lastly, when was the last one we did a cheeky free kick move? Last I can remember is sliding it through along the ground to Alvarez to score…and he doesn’t play here anymore!!!
Surely Arsenal's has got to be higher this season? Their bullying tactic of crowding the keeper seems to work every game at the minute
is it that high? i thought it was more like 1% to be honest
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Theirs might be higher. I can’t find stats for this season, but fans in general overestimate how hard it is to score from a corner.
Beating the first man is often bandied around. There’s a tiny margin of error between getting the ball over the first man and the ball going too far and out for a throw in. Whipping a ball in has tiny margins.
Also, the defending team have a set up to defend most corners well. Arsenal are outliers at the moment until teams find a way to negate their tactic, which won’t take much longer.
The idea of a short corner is to get the defending side out of their drilled set piece defensive positions.
Given how many corners we get, we should have 33% more goals than Arsenal from corners if we had the same conversion rate
Other stats showed that Arsenal scored 9 goals from 122 corners for this season (can't find the same for City) so City would have been expected to get 12 goals from corners if we were equally as proficient ! Anybody know how many we have actually scored from corners ?
Interesting analysis here on corners (goals, type by team) though for only part of the season and needs updating
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Other stats showed that Arsenal scored 9 goals from 122 corners for this season (can't find the same for City) so City would have been expected to get 12 goals from corners if we were equally as proficient ! Anybody know how many we have actually scored from corners ?
Interesting analysis here on corners (goals, type by team) though for only part of the season and needs updating
Premier League Corners 2024-25: A Comprehensive Guide
We delve into our extensive corner-kick data to see which teams and players have performed best and worst in the Premier League this season.
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I agree.. We definitely score more that way. E.g. against arsenal and united this season.
We have scored 2 from corners this season The only team having more is Arsenal with 9. 5 other teams have scored 2. The other 13 have scored 1 or less.
We have taken 162 corners, so our conversion rate currently stands at 1.2% this season.
We certainly have a low percentage, but I wouldn't necessarily say its a problem for us. I would rather us keep possession from he corner by playing it short, than boot it in the box and have a significant chance of losing it. Especially considering we are easily countered at the moment.
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Stones has scored twice from corners (Arsenal annd Wolves) and Kovacic did against Fulham. There may be more, but I can’t think! Gundogan vs Feyenoord too?
Yeh... just realized I was looking at an article from October for the goals scored. Haha. Adding Stones vs Wolves and Kovacic vs Fulham that makes it 2.4% in the premier league, which coincides with exactly what you said. Definitely prefer us playing them short.
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The biggest variable for me is the aggressiveness of the centre backs.
Gabriel and Saliba have been turned into uber aggressive players. They get on the end of more balls as a result.
Our best two centre backs at corners are Ake and Stones. Weirdly, Dias is more aggressive, but less of a threat.
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Does anyone know is there a statistic of keeping possession from a throw in
I'd guess ours is + 0.5 %
Opposition team 100 %
I'd guess ours is + 0.5 %
Opposition team 100 %
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Can we sign Andy Morrison and just use him for corners? That pad didn't give a fuck who was in his way the ball was going in the net
This was from early in the season. It's clearly gone down since, but it's been something City have been very good at over the last few years. I vaguely remember an article about Liverpool having a throw-in coach, and since he'd arrived, I believe City were the only team with better retention.
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Amazing because watching us we might as well let them take it
I've had the protractors out and it's a huge margin...
The short corner has the advantage that it usually draws two defenders out of the penalty area (though West Ham didn't bother on Saturday) and allows options. The player taking the corner can still swing it in to the penalty area, perhaps with two fewer defenders there. If played to a teammate, the teammate can bend the ball in or out toward the goal area, or just touch the ball for the player taking the corner to bend it in from a better angle, or play it back to him (don't be offside) but best to use the options before the opponents close the ten yards. Another attacker can peel away from the penalty area to add another option. But once the second player has opted for an option, he should move centrally to help defend against the inevitable breakaway (if we're talking City).
All this of course is from the Malcolm Allison great book of plans [plans 17(a) to (k) The Corner Kick].
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