Shamima Begum

[Blue Mist]

Exactly. In an ideal world I'd want to see her prosecuted for treason and terror offences and throw away the key but the reality is because of the reasons you mention there's a massive risk of her not ending up in jail should we let her back into the country.

The next best solution is to do exactly what we've done. One less terrorist on British soil and some people are acting like that's a bad thing.

An interesting point was made at the hearing by an MI6 agent. He stated she was 15 at the time she went abroad, she was intelligent with anticipated grades in exams of A and A+. She was not uneducated, she knew or must have known what IS were doing and the horrors they had alrwady committed. He stated she made the decision to go.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Yes we can make her stateless and yes we have.
Can we prosecute her ? I'm not so sure we can. We cannot use evidence from phone taps so what is the evidence ? We can prove she left this country as someone can stand up in court and say so. After that ? Would we get evidence that can be tested in court that she left Turkey and entered Syria, more to the point, can we prove any illegal activity once she arrived there ? Evidence requires a witness that the defence can cross examine. I doubt we have that hence the removal of citizenship.

Citation? Recordings are admissible.

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

Let her in. Otherwise this will be going on forever and cost millions to the taxpayer.

A lot of people do not want her anywhere near this country as this would send a message out to other girls/teenagers thinking of going over that whatever happens, you do have a right to come back.

Would she be given a new identity so she can work & settle somewhere safe? Unlike thousands of her and her cults victims in Syria

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Let her in. Otherwise this will be going on forever and cost millions to the taxpayer.

A lot of people do not want her anywhere near this country as this would send a message out to other girls/teenagers thinking of going over that whatever happens, you do have a right to come back.

Would she be given a new identity so she can work & settle somewhere safe? Unlike thousands of her and her cults victims in Syria

There are hundreds that have done the same as her that have come back and served their time.

This woman was interviewed on TV and the Tories decided to play politics with her.

 

[bluethrunthru]

An interesting point was made at the hearing by an MI6 agent. He stated she was 15 at the time she went abroad, she was intelligent with anticipated grades in exams of A and A+. She was not uneducated, she knew or must have known what IS were doing and the horrors they had alrwady committed. He stated she made the decision to go.

My kids both graduated Uni with a first - at 15 they were intelligent and knew everything about Dr Who and fuck all about terrorism.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Are you suggesting that people who do good things enable terrorism, whilst people who do bad things stop terrorism.

….or that stopping a terrorist isn’t doing a good thing?

 

[mexico1970]

There are hundreds that have done the same as her that have come back and served their time.

This woman was interviewed on TV and the Tories decided to play politics with her.

Allow me to take out the worlds smallest violin and go all sad and gutted for you.

 

[Shirley]

She has a few children now, not sure exactly how many.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Allow me to take out the worlds smallest violin and go all sad and gutted for you.

You can do what you like. The legal precedent is there.

Violin or no violin.

 

[domalino]

My kids both graduated Uni with a first - at 15 they were intelligent and knew everything about Dr Who and fuck all about terrorism.

Just an incredibly weak, completely transparent attempt to make a court pretend a 15 year old girl was not a child when she was trafficked to the middle east.