Grassland Blue
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So the treacherous woman wants to come back to a post brexit UK?
Things must be worse than I thought under ISIS control....
Things must be worse than I thought under ISIS control....
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Shamima Begum
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Johnny Mars Bar
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This terrorist **** is in the news again I see.
Sticking on a ‘western’ outfit and claiming you’re all over it now doesn’t fool me.
‘Child trafficking’ my arse. She knew what she was doing then and she knows what she is doing now.
The terrifying thing about this is a load of do gooder types will believe her and probably start some sort of petition to let her in the country.
Sticking on a ‘western’ outfit and claiming you’re all over it now doesn’t fool me.
‘Child trafficking’ my arse. She knew what she was doing then and she knows what she is doing now.
The terrifying thing about this is a load of do gooder types will believe her and probably start some sort of petition to let her in the country.
Rascal
El Presidente
Is "doing good" a bad thing in your eyesThe terrifying thing about this is a load of do gooder types will believe her and probably start some sort of petition to let her in the country.
Johnny Mars Bar
Well-Known Member
No. Is stopping terrorists a bad thing in yours?Is "doing good" a bad thing in your eyes
Grassland Blue
Well-Known Member
The road to hell and all that...Is "doing good" a bad thing in your eyes
some people oddly enough have an issue with the fact that British law may take precedence here - something I believe British people voted for and British politicians still argue should take precedence. It almost like certain British laws should only apply because certain people think they should take precedence - its the law folks lets see how it plays out.
Is it that surprising in a country where Supreme Court judges get branded “enemies of the people” for upholding British law, or the Home Secretary attacks “lefty liberal lawyers” for knocking down the governments illegal attempts to deport people to Rwanda? Half the cabinet want to leave the ECHR so they can do stuff deemed to be against basic human rights by the rest of the world.
The conservatives have been trying to make an enemy out of the law for ages now.
No. Is stopping terrorists a bad thing in yours?
Making Shemima Begum stateless isn’t “stopping terrorists”.
Yes we can make her stateless and yes we have.Can we legally ( under international law) make her stateless and remove citizenship? I think Bangladesh ducked her (might have been our) claim to her citizenship there via family. I think we should spend the time/effort and money on prosecuting her as a terrorist here and locking her up for a very long time.
Can we prosecute her ? I'm not so sure we can. We cannot use evidence from phone taps so what is the evidence ? We can prove she left this country as someone can stand up in court and say so. After that ? Would we get evidence that can be tested in court that she left Turkey and entered Syria, more to the point, can we prove any illegal activity once she arrived there ? Evidence requires a witness that the defence can cross examine. I doubt we have that hence the removal of citizenship.
Johnny Mars Bar
Well-Known Member
Exactly. In an ideal world I'd want to see her prosecuted for treason and terror offences and throw away the key but the reality is because of the reasons you mention there's a massive risk of her not ending up in jail should we let her back into the country.Yes we can make her stateless and yes we have.
Can we prosecute her ? I'm not so sure we can. We cannot use evidence from phone taps so what is the evidence ? We can prove she left this country as someone can stand up in court and say so. After that ? Would we get evidence that can be tested in court that she left Turkey and entered Syria, more to the point, can we prove any illegal activity once she arrived there ? Evidence requires a witness that the defence can cross examine. I doubt we have that hence the removal of citizenship.
The next best solution is to do exactly what we've done. One less terrorist on British soil and some people are acting like that's a bad thing.
Rascal
El Presidente
Are you suggesting that people who do good things enable terrorism, whilst people who do bad things stop terrorism.No. Is stopping terrorists a bad thing in yours?