Shamima Begum

BlueBanger said:
I don't particualrly care what her mental state was plain and simple. She seemed all smiles when her and her mates were flying across the world to join the cult. I'm saying she gave up any rights in this country as soon as she joined a terrorist organization...this after years of terror attacks on british soil to teach her and her mates better.

This is the trouble with the soft touch approach of today...absolutely everyone, from pervs, rapists, murderer's, you name it, have a ready made excuse and a long line of fools to make them. Not suggesting you are a fool but that mentality is imo utterly foolish and only helps this kind of threat thrive in the west.

The families and victims of terror deserve better, THEY deserve a zero tolerance approach...the terrorists, including those who support them, deserve absolutely fuck all.
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How come we aren't removing the citizenship of all the National action mob or Lee Rigbys killers I'm sure we can palm them off on their ancestral homes?

Basically picked on an easy target haven't they to look like they are tough on crime and immigration.
 
bugsyblue said:
If we had a zero tolerance approach to the IRA I very much doubt we’d have ever got to a peace agreement! Anyway that’s not actually the point here, the part that doesn’t sit well with me is that we are stripping a British citizen of their citizenship without taking them to trial and charging them with crimes and also the fact she was a child when she made the decision to join ISIS.
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Thats an apples and oranges comparison. As for the stripping her of her citizenship...cry me a river.

Age is no excuse as far as i'm concerned and if speaking frankly, what is to stop the next shamima begum from doing the same thing if there is no serious consequences every time this happens? People can quote laws and rules all day to me it won't change my view. Many laws are a joke in this country...

I say all this knowing full well some clown of a judge will eventually cave, and one of her 50 appeals will be a success. Because thats the UK in 2023. The land of zero responsibility and consequence...unless you silently pray outside an abortion clinic, or say something mean online.
 
BlueBanger said:
I don't particualrly care what her mental state was plain and simple. She seemed all smiles when her and her mates were flying across the world to join the cult. I'm saying she gave up any rights in this country as soon as she joined a terrorist organization...this after years of terror attacks on british soil to teach her and her mates better.

This is the trouble with the soft touch approach of today...absolutely everyone, from pervs, rapists, murderer's, you name it, have a ready made excuse and a long line of fools to make them. Not suggesting you are a fool but that mentality is imo utterly foolish and only helps this kind of threat thrive in the west.

The families and victims of terror deserve better, THEY deserve a zero tolerance approach...the terrorists, including those who support them, deserve absolutely fuck all.
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Bang on…
 
BlueBanger said:
Thats an apples and oranges comparison. As for the stripping her of her citizenship...cry me a river.

Age is no excuse as far as i'm concerned and if speaking frankly, what is to stop the next shamima begum from doing the same thing if there is no serious consequences every time this happens? People can quote laws and rules all day to me it won't change my view. Many laws are a joke in this country...

I say all this knowing full well some clown of a judge will eventually cave, and one of her 50 appeals will be a success. Because thats the UK in 2023. The land of zero responsibility and consequence...unless you silently pray outside an abortion clinic, or say something mean online.
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Well the normal course of justice is the deterrent. We tend to prosecute terrorists and send them away for actually a long time. And rightly so. I don’t think anyone is suggesting she comes home and is let off… she should be tried and punished for her crimes.

And we might be soft to a degree but you’re using hyperbole to make your point. I mean which country would you like us to be more like when it comes to crime and punishment?
 
BlueBanger said:
Thats an apples and oranges comparison. As for the stripping her of her citizenship...cry me a river.

Age is no excuse as far as i'm concerned and if speaking frankly, what is to stop the next shamima begum from doing the same thing if there is no serious consequences every time this happens? People can quote laws and rules all day to me it won't change my view. Many laws are a joke in this country...

I say all this knowing full well some clown of a judge will eventually cave, and one of her 50 appeals will be a success. Because thats the UK in 2023. The land of zero responsibility and consequence...unless you silently pray outside an abortion clinic, or say something mean online.
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Actually the U.K. in 2023 is the opposite of that. Us not repatriating individuals or families from Syria and removing their citizenship is our current mo and we’re an outlier doing it, not the other way round in any way. You know it’s not a popular policy internationally when both Trump and Biden denounce it.
 
bugsyblue said:
Well the normal course of justice is the deterrent. We tend to prosecute terrorists and send them away for actually a long time. And rightly so. I don’t think anyone is suggesting she comes home and is let off… she should be tried and punished for her crimes.

And we might be soft to a degree but you’re using hyperbole to make your point. I mean which country would you like us to be more like when it comes to crime and punishment?
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Your first sentence is the biggest problem.

Also, it's really no good asking me which country i'd like us to be more like...terrorists and pedophiles would be hanging from each corner of the UK if it were my choice.

Now thats hyperbole!
 
BlueBanger said:
Your first sentence is the biggest problem.

Also, it's really no good asking me which country i'd like us to be more like...terrorists and pedophiles would be hanging from each corner of the UK if it were my choice.

Now thats hyperbole!
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You seem to be getting a bit sensitive over it all so I’ll leave you be.
 
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