Shamima Begum

bugsyblue said:
Them?
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Couldn't resist.


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BlueBanger said:
She wasn't a child when she showed zero remorse in her first interviews. We are a soft touch society but for terrorism...zero tolerance should be the way, otherwise we are simply pissing on the memory of the innocent people who have died to this stuff.

Can we be a strong country in at least one area please.
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I wouldn’t say this is us being a strong country as it’s not zero tolerance, it’s us choosing not to deal with it. Zero tolerance would have been repatriating her and then sentencing her to a life sentence, for example.

I’d actually argue allowing her to stay in Syria is pissing on the memory of innocent people more, given all it really does is increase the risk of those there being either sucked back in to IS, or in the case of children, being groomed in the first place.
 
meltonblue said:
I wouldn’t say this is us being a strong country as it’s not zero tolerance, it’s us choosing not to deal with it. Zero tolerance would have been repatriating her and then sentencing her to a life sentence, for example.

I’d actually argue allowing her to stay in Syria is pissing on the memory of innocent people more, given all it really does is increase the risk of those there being either sucked back in to IS, or in the case of children, being groomed in the first place.
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You're seriously reaching methinks but whatever you think boss...we're all entitled to an opinion.
 
meltonblue said:
With what?
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All of it.

Repatriation is exactly what she wants. She only wants this as she knows it will come with no real consequence. As for her being in syria being worse for people who have suffered, tell that to a manchester arena survivor who has to walk down the street looking at begums smug face.

Anyway honestly thats all from me its a tiring conversation, especially after we just played that shit tonight.
 
BlueBanger said:
All of it.

Repatriation is exactly what she wants. She only wants this as she knows it will come with no real consequence. As for her being in syria being worse for people who have suffered, tell that to a manchester arena survivor who has to walk down the street looking at begums smug face.

Anyway honestly thats all from me its a tiring conversation, especially after we just played that shit tonight.
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Fair enough, agree with your last point!

My point wasn’t about what she wants, it’s that everyone is repatriating their citizens from those camps and then putting them on trial and prosecuting and we’re the outlier in not doing it.

We have relinquished control of whether she gets any retribution for her actions or not, whether they’re deserved or not. I just don’t get how it’s a good outcome for people with either viewpoint on her personally.

Its a good outcome for the powers of the Home Secretary and people that want that, but I’m not sure much else can be really said about it.
 
BlueBanger said:
All of it.

Repatriation is exactly what she wants. She only wants this as she knows it will come with no real consequence. As for her being in syria being worse for people who have suffered, tell that to a manchester arena survivor who has to walk down the street looking at begums smug face.

Anyway honestly thats all from me its a tiring conversation, especially after we just played that shit tonight.
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Yet I imagine you’d be banging a different drum if a Syrian came here, committed crimes and then Syria refused to take him back? It’s not just the woman’s side of this argument that needs to be considered. Equally I’d imagine we wouldn’t be taking this stance if it was the US or another ally that was stuck with her.
 
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