Shamima Begum

[Zuriblue]

She was fifteen.

The problem is that the right are only interested in child grooming and rape when it can be weaponised.

 

[domalino]

I'm talking about her first facing justice for what she did in Syria, crossed wires.

She has no entitlement to British citizenship anymore. She doesn't want it anyway, she just wants to come to the UK to avoid her captors.

No, no, no.

She is actively trying to get her British citizenship back, you don't get to say she doesn't want it.

 

[Metal Biker]

No, no, no.

She is actively trying to get her British citizenship back, you don't get to say she doesn't want it.

And you don't get to say that she does when i've seen her saying she doesn't care about being British.

Why do you want a person with the views Begum has to come to the UK? Why is it important to you?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The problem is that the right are only interested in child grooming and rape when it can be weaponised.

If she'd been willingly fingered by a taxi driver from Rotherham I'm sure they'd be a lot more sympathetic to her.

 

[domalino]

My question to you is, why are you so passionate about a person like Begum, who despises homosexuals, thought nothing of Yazidi women being treated like sex slaves to be beaten and abused, to return to the UK to regain her citizenship when she renounced it, doesn't want it (she just wants to return to the UK) and does not agree with the morals and values this country stands for? Is she the sort of citizen you want?

This country is filled with the sort of citizens I don't really want in society. Racists, homophobes, far-right nutjobs, religious fundamentalists, all sorts of unpleasant people. I don't want the home secretary to invent bullshit reasons to strip them of their citizenships contrary to international convention and dump them out on the world pretending they're not our problem though.

This is not about Shamima Begum, it's about the UK's responsibility to deal with British citizens, it's about not foisting our problem cases on the rest of the world and wiping our hands of them. It's also about political point scoring, about facing up to extremism of all kinds, not just Islamic, and finding ways to deradicalise people. It's about Shamima Begum's innocent British child dying because we refused to deal with her mother.

 

[Metal Biker]

This country is filled with the sort of citizens I don't want. Racists, homophobes, far-right bigots, religious fundamentalists, all sorts of unpleasant people. I don't want the home secretary to invent bullshit reasons to strip them of their citizenships contrary to international convention and dump them out on the world pretending they're not our problem though.

They aren't BS reasons though. MI5, The Home Office are in agreement she poses a security risk and the Supreme Court believes she would pose a security risk, which is why they blocked her ability to come to the UK and 'fight' for citizenship.

But no, Bluemoon nobodies know better. You don't get to decide if she poses a risk or not. You don't get to decide whether she retains or loses her UK citizenship. The Supreme Court was unanimous; she poses a security risk and cannot return to the UK to fight for it. You are placing one person's situation above the safety of everyone else in the UK, despite having the Home Office and MI5 provide their analysis that she does pose a risk.

I also seek justice, and Begum needs to answer to the Kurds and the Yazidi women who suffered at the hands of a regime she supported. That before anything else.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

So you think a 15 year old can consent to being married and having sex with a 25 year old?

We have an age of consent in this country for a reason, and an age of majority.

If you think neither should exist, I'm not sure its worth carrying on this debate.


I think more likely is you know why these things exist, but are so ignorantly set on having a black and white view of this woman that you cannot accept that she might be a victim of crime as well as an accessory or pepertrator of it.

The age of consent in France is 15. If she was French, this would not have been rape, and a decision to join this medieval cult would have involved no coercion. Using her age as mitigation is ridiculous.
Her two sisters were involved in this as well. It surprises no one why many on the left immediately rush to defend evil, yet never show any sympathy for the victims of it.
The reaction of the vast majority is of relief about the court decision, you know this, yet it’s never a celebration, or some consolation for the victims families, it’s a rush to discredit.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Actually, the "counter" is the second highest court in the land which said she should be allowed to return to make her appeal.

Claptrap as usual. The appeal court is not there to override decisions made by parliament, because it doesn’t like them.
We elect people to enact laws, when they do, court’s don’t get to ignore them, that’s why they were rapped by the S C,
Who’s verdict on this case was unanimous.

 

[Metal Biker]

The age of consent in France is 15. If she was French, this would not have been rape, and a decision to join this medieval cult would have involved no coercion. Using her age as mitigation is ridiculous.
Her two sisters were involved in this as well. It surprises no one why many on the left immediately rush to defend evil, yet never show any sympathy for the victims of it.
The reaction of the vast majority is of relief about the court decision, you know this, yet it’s never a celebration, or some consolation for the victims families, it’s a rush to discredit.

It's the "the right wingers disapprove, therefore we approve!" mentality of the morally vacuous.
She wants to have UK citizenship to avoid justice; how can anyone support such an endeavour?

 

[Metal Biker]

Claptrap as usual. The appeal court is not there to override decisions made by parliament, because it doesn’t like them.
We elect people to enact laws, when they do, court’s don’t get to ignore them, that’s why they were rapped by the S C,
Who’s verdict on this case was unanimous.

Yeah, but what do they know.