As a summary of her opinions, not an opinion of my own. That's the problem with text (and when you have red mist clouding your rationality, you'll only see things how you want them to appear).Yes. The first bit is stupid beyond belief, as if a victim of grooming can never be in denial of what's happened or defend their abuser, and the second bit you've bolded is you justifying statutory rape.
This is something you said. No one is inventing anything by pointing out how disgusting it is.
No absolutely not. A child of 15 cannot consent to sex and marriage and having children.This is very simple. Do you think a 15 year old child can consent to sex and marriage and having children with a 24 year old. Yes or No?
No fake quotes, no "summarising her statements", yes or no?
No absolutely not. A child of 15 cannot consent to sex and marriage and having children.
Begum however believes so, even now at age 21.
I agree she was raped, Begum does not.Right, so you agree she was raped.
And we know for a fact that as a child she was contacted by an older woman online who told her and her friends how to get to Syria and sold them on it with the express purpose of getting her there where she would be raped and married off.
So we can all agree she was trafficked for sex as a child.
Which is the thing you jumped in to argue about an hour ago.
So now we can all accept she is a victim of crime as well as possibly a perpetrator or accomplice.
I agree she was raped, Begum does not.
I also know that she contacted an older woman about how to arrange going to Syria because her and her friends approved of what was going on there and the regime they had. Just like Wales with their knock on try, the older woman wasn't exactly going to talk her out of it.
The fact is the IS life appealed to 15 year old Begum and her friends. She is a victim of a crime perpetuated by an IS member. She then, as an adult, was complicit in crimes against others, and it is that that I and others are judging her on. Her willing, complicit acts that perpetuated violence against others whilst she was an adult.
Exactly, and those crimes were committed in Syria, so it is Syrian justice she should face and serve time there. She committed no crimes in the UK so does not need to be extradited.Abuse victims often think they're not abused. That's irrelevant. As is yesterday's rugby.
As for the rest, the developed world agreed a long time ago that you're guilty of the crimes you commit, not the crimes of any and everyone under your banner. Not all germans committed the holocaust, not all American soldiers were guilty of My Lai. Not all Britons in Afghanistan are responsible for Alexander Blackman's war crime.
Shamima Begum is not guilty or responsible for every crime committed by ISIS, which is what you're trying to attribute to her. She's guilty for the crimes she committed and she should be tried for those crimes.
Exactly, and those crimes were committed in Syria, so it is Syrian justice she should face and serve time there. Its the Sacoolas conundrum.
Now you've done it. Thread diversion onto how colonial atrocities were "of their time" and no reflection on all the good things we did for the colonised.Abuse victims often think they're not abused. That's irrelevant. As is yesterday's rugby.
As for the rest, the developed world agreed a long time ago that you're guilty of the crimes you commit, not the crimes of any and everyone under your banner. Not all germans committed the holocaust, not all American soldiers were guilty of My Lai. Not all Britons in Afghanistan are responsible for Alexander Blackman's war crime.
Shamima Begum is not guilty or responsible for every crime committed by ISIS, which is what you're trying to attribute to her. She's guilty for the crimes she committed and she should be tried for those crimes.
She revoked it herself. She declared publicly she was not a British citizen, destroying her passport. What are we supposed to do, force someone to be British when they don't want to be?If the Syrians can provide her with a fair trial then fine.
But that doesn't justify revoking her British citizenship, leaving her stateless or refusing to allow her to contest that in person.
"Syrian justice"? What exactly is now "Syria" never mind Syrian justice?Exactly, and those crimes were committed in Syria, so it is Syrian justice she should face and serve time there. She committed no crimes in the UK so does not need to be extradited.
Its the Sacoolas conundrum.