Shamima Begum

I don't really see what the issue is the British Government aren't about to return citizenship to a security threat,who hates our way of life and it's a hell of a walk from Syria.
 
From memory, my understanding is that the punishment described here ('the biter') was often administered by women. Of course, we know very little about what Begum and other women actually got up to during their time when ISIS was more in the ascendant, but this is also something to take into consideratiion.
It's all too easy to assume that women are victims in oppressive religion, but often they are just as much the perpetrators as the men. It's often female relatives, for example, who are the ones who push for FGM. Mothers are just as likely as fathers to say "you're not going out dressed like that." And let's not forget that most surveys suggest that across cultures, women are more religious than men on average. Look at someone like Anne Widdecombe leaving the CofE because they dared to allow female bishops. They are almost always a patriarchal system that favours and gives power to (certain) men, but let's not pretend that women aren't often just as likely to fully participate in it. The fact that you have women and girls choosing to move to ISIS territory shows you that. They weren't dragged there kicking and screaming for the most part.

Dave Eagleman's book Incognito (on the manner in which the unconscious brain influences our behaviour without our necessarily realizing as well as the relationship between neuroscience and the law) is also possibly relevant. Although he doesn't discuss the adolescent brain specifically, I would be interested to know more about how the brain of a 15 year old is configured in comparison to that of a fully-fledged adult, and whether this might impact in any way on impulse control and conscious decision-making.
As I understand it, the adult brain isn't fully formed until about 25. With that in mind, it would be possible to make exactly the same excuse for a 20 year-old, but no-one would do that because of an arbitrary legal distinction at 18.
 
*you're.

Why do the hard right often struggle to spell such simple words?

I think Farage is a massive dickhead......you're one of his supporters.

Hard-right?

Hard is only really a term used for the left.

UKIP, Brexit Party, BNP (and their fanboys) = Far Right
 
Hard-right?

Hard is only really a term used for the left.

UKIP, Brexit Party, BNP (and their fanboys) = Far Right
I am neither hard right nor far right (although Mrs Mist will tell you I think I am always right) but why would either struggle with simple words ?
 
I don't really see what the issue is the British Government aren't about to return citizenship to a security threat,who hates our way of life and it's a hell of a walk from Syria.

The 'issue' is international law and following it.

She could well be a security threat but they have allowed many other probable security threats to return from Syria without being made stateless.

They are making an example of her but it's a dangerous precedent to set.
 
It's not something I said so I'm not sure why you want an explanation from me.
I don't. I was agreeing with you. Perhaps it was the way I phrased it.
Feed the goat implied that hard/far right had trouble with simple words which I found very strange.

Sorry for the confusion
 
The 'issue' is international law and following it.

She could well be a security threat but they have allowed many other probable security threats to return from Syria without being made stateless.

They are making an example of her but it's a dangerous precedent to set.
Yes there would be an issue had the Government not complied with international law and if Ms Begum had not inherited Bangladeshi nationality from her parents then the Government may well have been on a sticky wicket. Grey area but our Government haven't made her stateless so in reality she's screwed so to speak. Alas in her case it's hard to feel that sorry for her I'm afraid.
 
Yes there would be an issue had the Government not complied with international law and if Ms Begum had not inherited Bangladeshi nationality from her parents then the Government may well have been on a sticky wicket. Grey area but our Government haven't made her stateless so in reality she's screwed so to speak. Alas in her case it's hard to feel that sorry for her I'm afraid.
So she needs to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship, have that rejected and then ask to return to the U.K. to face charges.

Then the government will be on their sticky wicket and have to bring her back.

Lots of noise for populist support, but ultimately meaningless.

This sums up their modus operandi to a tee across their whole term.
 

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