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BobKowalski
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This is all much too nuanced and thoughtful for the knee jerkers on this thread
Oh, I don’t know *reads last few posts*, yeah, okay, fair point.
Johnny Mars Bar
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Staggering how she sticks on a baseball cap and all of a sudden a big swathe of society forgets she is a terrorist.
Bigga
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I don't know whether this has been posted, but I think she was a child, a stupid one at that, but I note that she's completely willing to come back to the UK and do time in jail if found guilty.
If she's willing to do such a thing, why not bring her to the UK and put her on trial?
I note there are 'forgiving' factors for people who were KKK/ NF believers who have 'changed their ways', (funnily enough that will be a fair few members of the forum that may have held similar views and become better characters) and they are seen as 'reformed'.
She's a political 'weapon', nothing else. I don't think there's been any definitive proof she's had any hand in any atrocities besides the rumours she's been accused of. Where's the hard evidence of this besides shadowy figures whispering into eager ears?
If Johnson and co can work with openly murderous regimes, why is a then stupid 15 year old girl who is now 22, such a threat is my question?
If she's willing to do such a thing, why not bring her to the UK and put her on trial?
I note there are 'forgiving' factors for people who were KKK/ NF believers who have 'changed their ways', (funnily enough that will be a fair few members of the forum that may have held similar views and become better characters) and they are seen as 'reformed'.
She's a political 'weapon', nothing else. I don't think there's been any definitive proof she's had any hand in any atrocities besides the rumours she's been accused of. Where's the hard evidence of this besides shadowy figures whispering into eager ears?
If Johnson and co can work with openly murderous regimes, why is a then stupid 15 year old girl who is now 22, such a threat is my question?
journolud
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I don't know whether this has been posted, but I think she was a child, a stupid one at that, but I note that she's completely willing to come back to the UK and do time in jail if found guilty.
If she's willing to do such a thing, why not bring her to the UK and put her on trial?
I note there are 'forgiving' factors for people who were KKK/ NF believers who have 'changed their ways', (funnily enough that will be a fair few members of the forum that may have held similar views and become better characters) and they are seen as 'reformed'.
She's a political 'weapon', nothing else. I don't think there's been any definitive proof she's had any hand in any atrocities besides the rumours she's been accused of. Where's the hard evidence of this besides shadowy figures whispering into eager ears?
If Johnson and co can work with openly murderous regimes, why is a then stupid 15 year old girl who is now 22, such a threat is my question?
You won’t get much sympathy for that on this thread, it’s lowest common denominator stuff but you are absolutely right
I’ve some sympathy for this viewpoint but the simple fact is that there can’t ever be any trial in the UK. The UK legal authorities have no means to gather evidence about what she did from a chaotic near-war zone controlled by a hostile regime. Crimes under the latest legislation banning joining overseas militants could probably be proven, but only came in after she left to join Islamic State so can’t be applied.I don't know whether this has been posted, but I think she was a child, a stupid one at that, but I note that she's completely willing to come back to the UK and do time in jail if found guilty.
If she's willing to do such a thing, why not bring her to the UK and put her on trial?
If she comes here as a UK citizen she will be as free as anyone else and there’ll never be any legal consequences for her time with IS. I wouldn’t want her living freely in my neighbourhood, so it would be hypocritical of me to say she should be allowed back.
Bigga
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I’ve some sympathy for this viewpoint but the simple fact is that there can’t ever be any trial in the UK. The UK legal authorities have no means to gather evidence about what she did from a chaotic near-war zone controlled by a hostile regime. Crimes under the latest legislation banning joining overseas militants could probably be proven, but only came in after she left to join Islamic State so can’t be applied.
If she comes here as a UK citizen she will be as free as anyone else and there’ll never be any legal consequences for her time with IS. I wouldn’t want her living freely in my neighbourhood, so it would be hypocritical of me to say she should be allowed back.
Perhaps I'm confused by this thought process.
I would guarantee this country (we know the US have done this) have accepted Nazi scientists/ officers who have actual blood on their hands into this country under whatever reasoning was given at the time.
This country, as I said before, openly works with murderous regimes.
Even, besides that, if the UK gov have stripped her of citizenship they must have evidence of what she's done... Which means they can put her on trial... Unless she's been tried in the court of public opinion and the Cons have seen this move as a vote winner?
Or am I being too cynical...?
kaz7
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Didnt we know isis brides sewed suicide vests? I seem to recall that from when we were fighting them, i very much doubt she doesnt have blood on her hands, heads in buckets didnt bother her or killing innocents at a concert in her home country, fuck her
You’re probably not being cynical enough. The country has a right to act in its own interest. Taking in Nazi scientists after the war was a benefit to the country, buying oil from Saudi Arabia and selling them weapons benefits this country, but this woman can offer nothing but trouble.Perhaps I'm confused by this thought process.
I would guarantee this country (we know the US have done this) have accepted Nazi scientists/ officers who have actual blood on their hands into this country under whatever reasoning was given at the time.
This country, as I said before, openly works with murderous regimes.
Even, besides that, if the UK gov have stripped her of citizenship they must have evidence of what she's done... Which means they can put her on trial... Unless she's been tried in the court of public opinion and the Cons have seen this move as a vote winner?
Or am I being too cynical...?
The government probably has intelligence reports but that’s not the same as the CPS having evidence it can bring before a court.
Bigga
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Didnt we know isis brides sewed suicide vests? I seem to recall that from when we were fighting them, i very much doubt she doesnt have blood on her hands, heads in buckets didnt bother her or killing innocents at a concert in her home country, fuck her
Where's this proof of her sowing anything? And seeing heads in buckets? the words of a kid showing hard faced bravado at what age?
As a kid/ teen, I said loads of things didn't bother me, but in private that couldn't be further from the truth. Didn't she say she hardly slept with regret in that vid?
She's, supposedly, been marching around with guns according to that vid, which she debunked citing Isis would never have allowed it... Unless they're more progressive than the Taliban with female inclusion...
You're speculating with no evidence of anything.
She was a kid, a stupid kid, ffs.