Shamima Begum

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's the rules we have made and the game she has to play though surely? If our objection to her return is based upon being in Isis and saying certain things, then not being in Isis anymore and not saying those things is simply a logical (possibly cynical) step on her part to enable her return. As far as I'm aware she's not accused of terrorism (although membership/support of a proscribed group is in itself an offence) so we are in the legally precarious position of treating her this way because of something she's said?
Surely the right thing to do is bring her home and prosecute her under the terrorism act for her membership/support of IS?
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Let’s bring her home and pay £50.000 per year locking her up, plus all her legal fees. Where’s the sense in that
 
hedkandi said:
Ffs do you not understand that people say things to get what they want. She wants to get back here and will say anything.
Can’t believe you are so gullable

Good fucking grief.
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So, let's examine your thesis; she's apologised, in essence, for her actions, would rather do the time... but she won't apologise for comments about the Manchester Bombing if asked?

I want you to examine your position on her wanting to seek a way back on Brit soil.

What sort of idiot wouldn't retract that statement if it helped their case??

In all this thread, your take is, probably, the worst.
 
Bigga said:
So, let's examine your thesis; she's apologised, in essence, for her actions, would rather do the time... but she won't apologise for comments about the Manchester Bombing if asked?

I want you to examine your position on her wanting to seek a way back on Brit soil.

What sort of idiot wouldn't retract that statement if it helped their case??

In all this thread, your take is, probably, the worst.
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Lol
 
hedkandi said:
Laughing at your take. Yes.

Still chuckling to be honest.
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I hope you read the quote that was posted about what she said and have a think whether a person trying to get back her citizenship and face justice, not freedom, wouldn't walk the comment back if she could.

It would be DUMB beyond belief to think she couldn't, and wouldn't, re-word her comment in any way, shape or form.

That's what you don't understand as you fight your silly corner.

Whilst I understand her point, I don't condone it. Someone's terrorist is somebody else's freedom fighter, so it's all about perspective for some.

I can't smash a brick into your skull as it's too thick for you understand what 'walking back' means in this case.

I will leave your two brains cells to keep their own company...
 
Bigga said:
I hope you read the quote that was posted about what she said and have a think whether a person trying to get back her citizenship and face justice, not freedom, wouldn't walk the comment back if she could.

It would be DUMB beyond belief to think she couldn't, and wouldn't, re-word her comment in any way, shape or form.

That's what you don't understand as you fight your silly corner.

Whilst I understand her point, I don't condone it. Someone's terrorist is somebody else's freedom fighter, so it's all about perspective for some.

I can't smash a brick into your skull as it's too thick for you understand what 'walking back' means in this case.

I will leave your two brains cells to keep their own company...
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Ok. Insults and anger.

I will leave you too and hopefully you can converse in future debates without coming across as an angry and rude individual.

Bye Bigga
 
hedkandi said:
Ok. Insults and anger.

I will leave you too and hopefully you can converse in future debates without coming across as an angry and rude individual.

Bye Bigga
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Okay, let me... "walk back" the last comment to you and say this:

I find it really difficult to explain to you what the concept of walking back a comment means and thus we're getting nowhere.

See?

An educational and topical example in real time.

Ciao.
 
Bigga said:
Okay, let me... "walk back" the last comment to you and say this:

I find it really difficult to explain to you what the concept of walking back a comment means and thus we're getting nowhere.

See?

An educational and topical example in real time.

Ciao.
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adios and calm down. you are the same in every thread.

unbelievable individual.
 
Bigga said:
It's not speculation if she's already expressed regret for her actions and wants to come back and serve time for her past actions if a jury of her peers deems she should.

For fuck's sakes, are you just trying to score stupid points??

How do you not see that she would walk back that comment to get onside if she's retracted her past behaviour? You have someone liking your nonsensical point without think about the whole thing objectively.

Good fucking grief!!
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People support harsh extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures in the belief that those extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures could and would never apply to them.
The fact is that when we erode one citizens rights and privileges we are eroding everyone's rights and privileges.
These rights are fought and won by the sacrifices of idealists and visionaries and eroded by short sighted simpletons who can't see beyond their noses.
 
goalmole said:
People support harsh extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures in the belief that those extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures could and would never apply to them.
The fact is that when we erode one citizens rights and privileges we are eroding everyone's rights and privileges.
These rights are fought and won by the sacrifices of idealists and visionaries and eroded by short sighted simpletons who can't see beyond their noses.
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Fuckin' A, man!
 
goalmole said:
People support harsh extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures in the belief that those extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures could and would never apply to them.
The fact is that when we erode one citizens rights and privileges we are eroding everyone's rights and privileges.
These rights are fought and won by the sacrifices of idealists and visionaries and eroded by short sighted simpletons who can't see beyond their noses.
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Yep.

Those rights were won at the cost of a sacrifice of literally millions and millions of lives, and were cemented in the declarations of universal human rights that were proclaimed very shortly after the end of the second world war.

Those self-same rights are diluted and thrown away by populists and the idiots who lap up their shite.
 
goalmole said:
People support harsh extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures in the belief that those extra judicial, populist, arbitrary measures could and would never apply to them.
The fact is that when we erode one citizens rights and privileges we are eroding everyone's rights and privileges.
These rights are fought and won by the sacrifices of idealists and visionaries and eroded by short sighted simpletons who can't see beyond their noses.
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People are also much more interested in punishment rather than justice.

We see this when capital punishment pops up a few times a year, people think it's great until you have to remind them that we stopped doing it because we kept killing innocent people.

For a lot of people Shamima Begum is bad, bad people deserve punishment. Actually finding her guilty of a crime or following international law is secondary.
 
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