Shamima Begum

[goalmole]

So I'll ask you again, what possible good would bringing her back to our country do?

What good does bringing any criminal back from abroad do?
Why not just leave them there when they commit a crime and run abroad?
What is the need for extradition treaties we have with countries around the world?

 

[hammocity]

Having watched 'The walk in' the true story about a neo Nazi that changed his ways and then lectured about the movement, also trying to infiltrate and bring them down, I think there could be some merit in bringing her back, if she truly is remorseful, so she can use her experience to deradicalize others.

For every “one” that changed their opinions and actions there’s many more that just can’t and won’t change their stance. Great story btw, The Walk in, have you watched the documentary about the real Matthew Collins?

 

[East Level 2]

She didn't have Bangladeshi nationality, she has a tenuous link to Bangladeshi nationality through a parent or grandparent, I don't know which.
Much the same as the English lads who end up playing for the Republic of Ireland football team.
If I'm not mistaken, the Bangladeshi government have refused to recognise any entitlement she might have to Bangladeshi nationality.
So that makes her as British as you, me or anyone else with a British passport.
The British government can't just wash her hands of her.
A case in some international court would be interesting.

They can't wash their hands of her, but they can give her situation a very low priority and leave her in situ.
And the current government know they only have to delay things for another couple of years and then it becomes Labour's problem.

 

[Chris in London]

Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen and there is "no question" of her being allowed into the country, Bangladesh's ministry of foreign affairs has said.

Apparently they're wrong

 

[Elbow beards]

For every “one” that changed their opinions and actions there’s many more that just can’t and won’t change their stance. Great story btw, The Walk in, have you watched the documentary about the real Matthew Collins?

Ye, it very good

 

[Scottyboi]

I think you're probably right.
But a part of me doesn't want this woman back on British soil, because of her actions.
I concede though, you are absolutely correct.
Sometimes my emotions get the better of me, especially when it comes to the subject in hand, for reasons best kept to myself.
I thank you for the debate, I'll bow out of this one now.
Cheers ric

lmao

 

[remember arthur mann]

Pity the yanks aren’t after her, they’d bang her up immediately.

 

[west didsblue]

Thought she was from Yorkshire.
Isn't her dad Mr. E. Begum?

 

[Grassland Blue]

Thought she was from Yorkshire.
Isn't her dad Mr. E. Begum?

If she is from Yarkshire, no wonder she left to join ISIS....
;- ))

 

[SJT]

Don’t you find it tiring being miserable all the time?

bless. pot/kettle.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

bless. pot/kettle.

How can you tell I'm miserable? I'm not the one moaning in this thread.

As I don't need a public hate figure to make myself feel better isn't it less likely that I'm miserable?

 

[blueish swede]

Under Bangladeshi law anyone born by parents born in Bangladesh is Bangladeshi automatically. She had a dormant dual citizenship so it doesn't matter what Begum or Bangladesh says. International law has not been broken in this case.

That's not entiirely true, because dual nationality is illegal under Bagladeshi law.

According to Sabrina Zarin, of FM Associates , a leading Law Firm in Dhaka and Chittagong, Bangladesh.

https://www.dualcitizenshipreport.org/dual-citizenship/bangladesh/

Her UK citizenship means that she would have to apply to the Bangladeshi Gov't for leave to have dual citizenship, which she has never done ( according to the Bangladeshi Gov't).

 

[i kne albert davy]

She didn't have Bangladeshi nationality, she has a tenuous link to Bangladeshi nationality through a parent or grandparent, I don't know which.
Much the same as the English lads who end up playing for the Republic of Ireland football team.
If I'm not mistaken, the Bangladeshi government have refused to recognise any entitlement she might have to Bangladeshi nationality.
So that makes her as British as you, me or anyone else with a British passport.
The British government can't just wash her hands of her.
A case in some international court would be interesting.

Does she have a valid British passport I'm not so sure, If the Bangladeshi Government can wash their hands of her (which would be interesting in some international court) why can't the British Government if they deem her a threat to other British subjects.

 

[hilts]

If she is from Yarkshire, no wonder she left to join ISIS....
;- ))

Aren't Yorkshire folk supposed to be tight? She is anything but tight that one.

 

[Bigga]

Whichever new turn this 'discussion/ argument' has taken, I'm just glad the shitty 'don't want my taxes' dickhead position has been fucked off!!

Now we're just left with the nationality desperation, which has been shredded to pieces!

I'm just waiting for the next cringeworthy take...

 

[journolud]

Whichever new turn this 'discussion/ argument' has taken, I'm just glad the shitty 'don't want my taxes' dickhead position has been fucked off!!

Now we're just left with the nationality desperation, which has been shredded to pieces!

I'm just waiting for the next cringeworthy take...

Worst thread on the forum this, apart from maybe the religion one

 

[hilts]

Whichever new turn this 'discussion/ argument' has taken, I'm just glad the shitty 'don't want my taxes' dickhead position has been fucked off!!

Now we're just left with the nationality desperation, which has been shredded to pieces!

I'm just waiting for the next cringeworthy take...

As a taxpayer I'd rather not pay for bombs sold to other countries, paying for fraudulent firms that are pally with the Gov and subsidising big business to fleece me.

But bringing back a silly girl to charge her is pushing the boundaries of decency...?

The mindset of people on this thread that have this argument against the woman, based upon the above, is beyond crazy.

 

[Bigga]

Not sure why I can't respond directly but I think you'll find, hilts, I was responding to the few arguments about not wanting taxes spent on Begum.

If only you read a few pages before to get the context...

 

[goalmole]

Does she have a valid British passport I'm not so sure, If the Bangladeshi Government can wash their hands of her (which would be interesting in some international court) why can't the British Government if they deem her a threat to other British subjects.

It's not about having a passport. She has never been a Bangladeshi citizen.
You don't cease to be a citizen of a country just because your passport expires.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Not sure why I can't respond directly but I think you'll find, hilts, I was responding to the few arguments about not wanting taxes spent on Begum.

If only you read a few pages before to get the context...

It’s because he didn't actually post anything, just quotes, so there is nothing for the forum software to grab for the reply.