Shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort (Las Vegas)

[Barcon]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-suspect-stephen-paddock-gun-semi-; automatic

Interesting part in there is this:

Paddock could have used a Hellfire or a bump-fire device, which attach to normal semi-automatic rifles and allow them to fire more rapidly, Ayoob said. These devices are legal, but rarely used by serious shooters, he said.

Not sure how true the bold part is.

 

[Jazzcat]

Which guns in whose hands? Is it possible, in your mind, to be a legal and responsible gun owner?

Sure they can be, never said anything to the contrary but current regulations don't exactly make it hard for the 'other kind' to get their hands on a weapon, both legally and illegally

Switzerland and Serbia.

You'll find that regulations in both countries are more stringent, especially in Switzerland, where psychiatric evalutions are mandatory and, in comparison, only a rather limited range of weapons are legal. Also, the amount of guns per capita in the USA is more than double that of the runner up (Serbia) and nearly 5 times that of switzerland

Too bad you're not on SCOTUS! Here in America, laws are interpreted by them. Go to Law School, get elected to the bench, become a Constitutional Scholar and you will get to tell us all about it...oh, and you would be in the minority in the current SCOTUS. For some background, read the Heller decision and get back to me.

Heller was decided 5v4, hardly a unanimous decision, yet hardly surprising given the NRA's lobbying prowess.

Review that logic and get back to me. One doesn't follow the other.

What would you attribute the increase in gun violence to then?

Or, maybe it is guns in the wrong hands that causes the problem, because I can assure you I could own a million guns and I would never be a mass murderer! But, then who decides who the "wrong hands" are without hindsight?

Having more guns in circulation increases the likelihood of those guns ending up in the wrong hands.

It is already ugly, and I hope there can be some realistic regulations imposed. However, as always, the response will be "bad guys don't give a fuck about the law...that's why we cal, them bad guys!
Do you think "the law" had ANY effect on this guy?

Well alright then you finally agree with what's being advocated,namely imposing more regulations.
And no, the current laws actually make it rather easy for him or any other bad guy to obtain such weapons. A decent pshychiatric evaluation might have prevented it though.
And reducing accessibility to weapons decreases the chance of those weapons ending up in the wrong hands altogether, it's logic really

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Not entirely true, given most people's understanding. Has to be automatic already, which makes it "more" than what is commonly known as an assault weapon (by sight)

Having used an L1A1 SLR 7.62 rifle for many years I can say that it was an assault rifle in the true sense of the word ( I take your point about the semantics regarding weight etc and you are correct referring to that nuance) the only drawback for urban warfare was its length where we deployed Sterling Sub Machine guns.
Because the definition of assault rifle and other semi-automatic rifles is so thin it really does appear pointless to differentiate and in my opinion they should all be banned. There again I am just a gun-less Brit with no will to own a weapon mate.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

@ChicagoBlue @idahoblues sorry about all the questions am genuinely interested. What is a cat C license and who can get one?

Google.

Not many people bother, because use is so regulated.

http://goneoutdoors.com/fully-automatic-gun-license-6742869.html

Btw, 18 more guns found in his home, in addition to the 10 he had in the hotel room!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The genie is out of the bottle in the US and there's no putting it back. In that sense, they're fucked.

It's a perfect illustration as to why our strict gun laws are necessary and, if anything, should be made even stricter.

 

[davymcfc]

It all sounds so strange. From reports I have read this is a guy who wasn't particularly clued up on weaponry, lived a quite life and this is totally unexpected. It just seems very very odd.

RIP to all those who lost their lives.

 

[abu13]

I just heard that they estimate there are 300 million guns in the US, surely that can't be right can it?

 

[tshirtman]

I was there a few weeks ago for the Liverpool game. I wouldn't be out alone after midnight in most areas of downtownManchester, especially in the areas of drunken scrotes turning out of the bars. Clearly, you think 98% of America is urban jungle like "Escape from New York"!

Tell me, where have you been in America? How many shootings have you seen? Ever held a handgun? Fired one? I've given you my experience. Now you...

I've never been or wanted to visit the US, it holds no interest to me.

The last time I held or shot a gun would have been in the late 70s whilst as an army cadet, and it was a 303 rifle,.

Although I don't have to explain myself, I'm not the one making bold claims that Manchester is more dangerous than 98% of the US, am I.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Dinner at the In Laws! I'll try to get back to questions/comments later. Cheers.

Btw, I do NOT want to be the face of guns in America. I agree with many of you. Unfortunately, it is not nearly as clear cut as many seem to think.

If we could go to zero ownership, except for law enforcement, I'd be in favor. But, first death due to illegal gun would create insurrection here!

 

[TCIB]

Correct, however you cannot buy one legally in the States that switches to fully automatic, only semi automatic, which means as fast as you can pull the trigger

These guys say this system is legal...



Not having a bash i should note, just that they say their gadgets are legal and that seems like full auto to me haha.