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[SWP's back]

True, but the analogy is accurate in the sense that both acts could result in violent repercussions.

One is personal abuse in a confrontational and provocative manner inviting violent repercussions..... the other is a cartoon of an ancient Prophet poking fun at a belief not an individual person.........

it is a personal issue for us because of how Muslims love him and in how much highest regard he is held in the faith of islam

That's your problem though at the end of the day.

Someone drawing a cartoon which is published 8,000 miles away from you, not in your face, and that you'll only see if you take the time to move away from your own media and onto some heathen's in their own country, is hardly grounds for offence.

It's like me logging into rag cafe and then feely affronted by the fact they are slagging City off.

 

[SWP's back]

As 12 dead people found out.

Me and you are not going to agree on this I don't think.

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

They aren't invited guests into our house Colin.

They are not forced to read Charlie.

Another false analogy. A better one would be the fact that I live in a Muslim nation and alcohol is haram but they still allow non-Muslims to buy it for home consumption, and pork. They just don't want to be served it.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

As 12 dead people found out.

Me and you are not going to agree on this I don't think.

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

This may well be the most ridiculous analogy in the entire thread.

 

[andyhinch]

As 12 dead people found out.

Me and you are not going to agree on this I don't think.

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

I look at a bit differently, I wouldn't invite a vegetarian round and offer them a steak I'd because I know they can't eat it, wouldn't stop me having a big bloody rib eye in front of them though

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Me and you are not going to agree on this I don't think.

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

This may well be the most ridiculous analogy in the entire thread.

It was aimed at people saying that that they don't have to respect other peoples' beliefs. The fact is that most of us would, even if we find them stupid or illogical.

SWP's Back is right that the majority of Muslims would also respect our right to drink alcohol or eat pork, as long as we do it in private. I choose not to read anti-semitic websites but it offends me that these exist and people have these views. If you've got nothing you feel that strongly about then that's fine. But what if someone set up a Facebook page mocking one of your kids? Would you just shrug it off as the right to free expression or would you be seriously angry?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

This may well be the most ridiculous analogy in the entire thread.

It was aimed at people saying that that they don't have to respect other peoples' beliefs. The fact is that most of us would, even if we find them stupid or illogical.

SWP's Back is right that the majority of Muslims would also respect our right to drink alcohol or eat pork, as long as we do it in private. I choose not to read anti-semitic websites but it offends me that these exist and people have these views. If you've got nothing you feel that strongly about then that's fine. But what if someone set up a Facebook page mocking one of your kids? Would you just shrug it off as the right to free expression or would you be seriously angry?

We would laugh about it and probably post on it.

[video]http://youtu.be/TQaz1lunrM0[/video]

 

[TangerineSteve17]

f you've got nothing you feel that strongly about then that's fine. But what if someone set up a Facebook page mocking one of your kids? Would you just shrug it off as the right to free expression or would you be seriously angry?

I thought about this a few days ago. It has been said Muslims love Mohammed more than their family. As basically an Athiest, the pinnacle of my love is to my children. If people did set up a facebook page, posted in the newspaper, published books etc ridiculing my kids, I might feel offended, but my overiding emotion would be pity. I would regret their feelings because I would know better and that's all that would matter. I would certainly complain to the authorities but if they weren't breaking any laws, I would understand, it isn't my world and they are free to be fools.

We're going to hell anyway aren't we? by we I mean those that reject Islam. If the followers believe that, do they have to be so heavily offended? Perhaps the fact they are so offended actually gives makes them (Muslims) seem pitying to us. They obviously care a great deal about what we non-believers think.

 

[Never Mind The Pollocks]

As 12 dead people found out.

Me and you are not going to agree on this I don't think.

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

To be honest pal I don't really see the comparison.

 

[foxy]

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

This may well be the most ridiculous analogy in the entire thread.

It was aimed at people saying that that they don't have to respect other peoples' beliefs. The fact is that most of us would, even if we find them stupid or illogical.

SWP's Back is right that the majority of Muslims would also respect our right to drink alcohol or eat pork, as long as we do it in private. I choose not to read anti-semitic websites but it offends me that these exist and people have these views. If you've got nothing you feel that strongly about then that's fine. But what if someone set up a Facebook page mocking one of your kids? Would you just shrug it off as the right to free expression or would you be seriously angry?

Patronising analogies that don't work which was probably aimed at me. The analogy you used was forceful, publishing a cartoon provides the world wide audience a choice whether to buy it/view it or not.

You have the choice whether to look at a Charlie Hebdo magazine or not. Scenarios such as the one you mentioned provide no choice and realistically you wouldn't offer a friend pork out of respect, just as you wouldn't offer a friend meat who is a veggie... There are no scenarios in the West where we forcefully disrespect a religion apart from the nutters in Right Wing groups such as EDL.

I wouldn't say their views offend me but I could easily do a twitter search for a number of nutjob feminists and read their ridiculous tweets which I massively disagree with but I don't because the choice is there. Just like these offended Muslims don't have to read Charlie Hebdo.

CH have been been publishing these images for quite a while, those who caused a media stir are the nutjobs who committed atrocities and have now given CH all the publicity they will ever need.

 

[East Level 2]

I wish religion would just be abolished, I mean FFS if someone like david blaine or dynamo were around back in the day they would be hailed as the messiah.

More probably burned as a witch.