Shootings in Paris

[Citizen in Pakistan]

You say unlike many around that you are not Charlie Hebdo.
I did not imagine for one minute you were.

I have heard this subject matter debated for many days and I tell you this you do appear to be in the minority.
The actions of your peaceful religion have once more sickened this world to its very core..

Did the insensitivity to your prophet justify the end deed. ?
Did the punishment fit the crime.

A sickening stomach churning twisted barbaric stone aged action perpetrated by spineless amoebic plankton.

Heartfelt sympathies to all the families of the murdered innocents.

Je suis Charlie ![/quote]


When Muslims say there offended by such images ,response is normally like the one you give just now that we are justifying the actions and bla bal ,i think you and many other should ,Major 45 muslims organistions and countries have condemned the attack ,But no matter how much we condemn it,it will never be enough,,bdw how many times have you condemned the iraq invasion which lead to 2 million people dead or other countries and left those countries in ruins?there was no isis in iraq ? remember you lot went in for weapons of mass destruction that were never found? How many times you have put the used je suis iraqi or je suis afgahni or jesuispalestian (when more than 1000 children were killed alone in nethyahou last excersise ) apart from the adults ?and i could on with this , or was christianty blamed when Andre Brevik killed 77 people and called himself soldier of christianity? Best of luck with your islamophobic emotions mate,you would surely go a long way with that,Did the muslims killed all those and committed all those attrocities .

This thread is already long enough and those who wont understand the muslim point of view on about these images they never will and say stuff like its not my problem ,your saying that to 23.3 % of population of this world , where you have anti semitic laws for 0.22 population,than why such ignorance for nearly a quarter of world population and their feelings?
And may be it would also had helped had you said something about that muslim cop aswell who confronted those terrorist or that muslim shopkeeper who hid the jews ?The problem with the west is only time you see islam is when there is a terrorist other wise you dont ,and ffs just look at the policies of your goverments aswell in regards to muslims

And would also like mention on Amir Khan (boxer ) Mo Farrah (Sprinter) Moen Ali (cricketer )who have brought owner to uk and why forget people like Dzeko ,yayha ,nasri who also happen to be muslims and havent blown themselves up or killed anyone YET

 

[Anonymous]

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This may well be the most ridiculous analogy in the entire thread.

It was aimed at people saying that that they don't have to respect other peoples' beliefs. The fact is that most of us would, even if we find them stupid or illogical.

SWP's Back is right that the majority of Muslims would also respect our right to drink alcohol or eat pork, as long as we do it in private. I choose not to read anti-semitic websites but it offends me that these exist and people have these views. If you've got nothing you feel that strongly about then that's fine. But what if someone set up a Facebook page mocking one of your kids? Would you just shrug it off as the right to free expression or would you be seriously angry?

We would laugh about it and probably post on it.

[video]http://youtu.be/TQaz1lunrM0[/video]

Black comedian uses the N word to make white people laugh.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

As 12 dead people found out.

Me and you are not going to agree on this I don't think.

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

Of course, any feeling, civilised person, would not offer something that is offensive to a guest as a way of scoring points, but that is not the issue. We are talking about pandering to a miniscule amount of fundamentalist nutters who respond to perfectly legal satire, formulated in a secular state' by murdering the producers of that satire. We are hearing, ad nauseum, about how muslims abhor this, so it follows, there's no way we going to be attacked by them, moderate muslims are not going to kill us, so why stop a publication from publishing perfectly legal material, on the say-so of Kalashnikov toting fruitcakes?
Yes, it's fucking dangerous publishing, and I applaud to the (Heavens?) Charlie Hebdo for doing so today, so take care when sacrificing freedom of expression for pragmatism.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Spot the difference: Female world leaders 'Photoshopped' out of Paris rally picture
An Israeli newspaper has been criticised for allegedly editing Angela Merkel and other women from a line-up of 40 world leaders, photographed in Paris on Sunday

At first glance, this looks like a historic photograph. It depicts 40 world leaders, dressed in black, arms linked, marching through Paris in a show of solidarity with a 1.6 million French people and the remaining staff of satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo.
Except, look at little closer. See anyone missing? The most powerful women in the Western world, perhaps?
That’s right. All the women, present in the original image, have been edited out.
Israeli newspaper The Announcer (HaMevaser) – a conservative orthodox Jewish publication- stands accused of Photoshopping women out of the picture.
After printing the allegedly doctored image on its front page, the paper has been criticised for disrespecting the unity march, which took place on Sunday following the massacre of 17 Parisians last week.
W

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wo...en-Photoshopped-from-Paris-rally-picture.html

Eh? The world's gone feckin' mad.

 

[johnmc]

I do wonder how people would react if those burning poppies were to suffer a similar fate to the Charlie Hebdo staff. No doubt widely condemned but a minority would say they could see why the murderers did it. It's a comparable situation for me. They would also be wrong to think that though in that situation.

 

[Balti]

 

[SWP's back]

I think we probably do agree that the response to the publishing of the cartoons was not justifiable in any way, shape or form. But as you've not posted anything coherent on this other than "That's their problem", "Talking shite imo" and other similarly enlightening contributions then it's difficult to know what your position is.

So let me specifically ask you the questions I asked earlier:
You invite a Muslim friend or colleague to dinner. Do you serve him a pork chop and, when he tells you he can't eat that, say "That's your problem" or do you attempt to find out what is acceptable to him and do your best to meet his requirements?

This may well be the most ridiculous analogy in the entire thread.

It was aimed at people saying that that they don't have to respect other peoples' beliefs. The fact is that most of us would, even if we find them stupid or illogical.

SWP's Back is right that the majority of Muslims would also respect our right to drink alcohol or eat pork, as long as we do it in private. I choose not to read anti-semitic websites but it offends me that these exist and people have these views. If you've got nothing you feel that strongly about then that's fine. But what if someone set up a Facebook page mocking one of your kids? Would you just shrug it off as the right to free expression or would you be seriously angry?

I don't have Muslims round for dinner as a rule bud. But I do go to dinner with them, and I do eat pork and drink alcohol and they have no issue with that. If they did, I would simply not bother.

I still don't get this thought that people's beliefs should have some sort of God given respect built in. That's bullshit. I don't agree with religion. I have no respect for a belief in religion. My mrs is religious, to a point, and she knows full well not to get into a discussion on religion with me, as love her though I do, I'm more than happy to not pull any punches.

Colin, what about racist people. I know many a few people that are fairly nice people, but they hold certain racist views, should I automatically respect their views?

 

[Anonymous]

It would seem other faiths do not like cartoons.

From Wiki:

Mohammad Saba'aneh (Arabic: محمد سباعنة ‎) (born in Jenin district in 1978[1]) is a Palestinian painter and caricaturist from Jenin district. He has been an active member in the Cartoon Movement since August 24, 2009.[2] Saba'aneh is a cartoonist for Al-Hayat al-Jadida, the official newspaper of the Palestinian Authority and also works at the Arab American University in Jenin on the West Bank.[3]

Mohammad Saba'aneh was detained by Israeli authorities on February 6, 2013, and released on July 1, 2013 after serving a five-month sentence after being charged by a military court for "contact with a hostile organization". [4][5][6] Saba'aneh has drawn numerous cartoons focusing on the plight of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli detention.

 

[Anonymous]

Why are you posting homoerotic pictures?.

 

[Balti]

Why are you posting homoerotic pictures?.

all in your mind pal

are you offended?

feel the need to lash out perhaps?