JoeMercer'sWay
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it's on christmas vacation I'm afraid, no hope there, you'll have to make do as I am...ernesto said:
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Should Fee-Paying Private(?) Schools be abolished?
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oh well we can live in hope. good night :)JoeMercer'sWay said:it's on christmas vacation I'm afraid, no hope there, you'll have to make do as I am...ernesto said:that means charging his brain cell up ha
I think it's 7% of UK students attend Private schools.
That 7% make up around 55% of Oxbridge students - 70% of Judges are privately educated, a great deal of parliament are privately educated. How much is Cameron's inheritance? These are people who do not know the worth of money.
Their success in life is decided arbitrarily by their parents wealth.
But what about State Selective "Grammar" schools? They give the illusion of meritocracy when in reality they only exist in middle class areas where Tories run the council (and so have not put plans together to remove them), the majority of students come from middle-upper middle class backgrounds, and similarly to private schools, they drain community resources which could be going to comprehensives which actually deserve them alot more. The result being comprehensives with neighbouring grammars tend to be under funded (however their position in middle class areas does put them at some advantage).
I went to a state grammar, their were a few working class students but it was predominantly students from prep schools. Horrible place.
That 7% make up around 55% of Oxbridge students - 70% of Judges are privately educated, a great deal of parliament are privately educated. How much is Cameron's inheritance? These are people who do not know the worth of money.
Their success in life is decided arbitrarily by their parents wealth.
But what about State Selective "Grammar" schools? They give the illusion of meritocracy when in reality they only exist in middle class areas where Tories run the council (and so have not put plans together to remove them), the majority of students come from middle-upper middle class backgrounds, and similarly to private schools, they drain community resources which could be going to comprehensives which actually deserve them alot more. The result being comprehensives with neighbouring grammars tend to be under funded (however their position in middle class areas does put them at some advantage).
I went to a state grammar, their were a few working class students but it was predominantly students from prep schools. Horrible place.
ElanJo
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I see a few people going on about inheritance. Well, the best way to take most of the incentive away for a man or woman to work hard would be to tax inheritance to the hilt.
These people are about as economically and socially unaware as it gets.
These people are about as economically and socially unaware as it gets.
ElanJo
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nashark said:I believe in 'Democracy'.
It's easy to say "I believe in Democracy" but not so easy to say "I believe in the tyranny of the majority". Why is that?
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Re: Should Fee-Paying Public Schools be abolished?
Not really sure what accents have got to do with this discussion, but Terry Leahy.brass neck said:When was the last time you heard a chief exec of a big corporation speaking with a scouse, manc, Geordie, Glaswegian, Bristol accent
Democracy? I won't quote Winston Churchill but I bet you know which one I'd use :)
Let's have a debate on democratic values, what they actually are.
Social Equality versus Vested Interests.
Inclusivity versus Exclusivity.
Social Mobility versus Entrenched Class system.
Where does personal freedom override the greater good?
Elanjo, what's your opinion on Ayn Rand?
Let's have a debate on democratic values, what they actually are.
Social Equality versus Vested Interests.
Inclusivity versus Exclusivity.
Social Mobility versus Entrenched Class system.
Where does personal freedom override the greater good?
Elanjo, what's your opinion on Ayn Rand?
ElanJo
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lloydie said:Democracy? I won't quote Winston Churchill but I bet you know which one I'd use :)
Let's have a debate on democratic values, what they actually are.
Social Equality versus Vested Interests.
Inclusivity versus Exclusivity.
Social Mobility versus Entrenched Class system.
Where does personal freedom override the greater good?
Elanjo, what's your opinion on Ayn Rand?
I know which quote you'd use. It's not a very good quote.
On Ayn Rand, I agree with her philosophy of reason over emotion/whim and the truism of how people follow their own interest. I also agree with her on love - ie. that it's the selfish nature of it that makes it special - you don't want to be with someone who is only with you out of selflessness or pity.
I'm not an Objectivist, so disagree with her in other areas, but she's worth reading.
ElanJo
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lloydie said:It's not a great quote, hence the smiley, but thought it had a relevance here, if only as a lens.
Ayn Rand is interesting, as you say.
It's crappy because the likes of Jefferson put together a better system nearly 200 years prior.
On the subject of schools. It seems obvious to me that State run education is the antithesis of any kind of inclusive democratic system. The whole point of a democratic system of governance was to free the people from the dictates of the few in power. Giving the control of education to the few in power turns democracy into a pathetic illusion. A soft dictatorship. It's not often that Jesuits occupy themselves with anything remotely truthful but the maxim of "Give me the child and I'll show you the man" is spot on. It's no wonder we live in a nanny state.