Singing section/Atmosphere

[Silvas' left eyebrow]

Same principal. Not a natural atmosphere.

To be honest with you I thought you was joking in regards to your first comment hence my sarcastic response. If you was being serious who am I to judge but I'll just leave it at that...

Absolutely serious.......but I see your train of thought .......no way could a group of 25 decent, enthusiastic want to sing local choir benefit our singing section as a catalyst to get things going , whilst benefiting local community group . How utterly ridiculous of Me .

A choir to help a singing section absurd..............like you said lets just leave it at that and keep complaining " no one sings"

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

if safe standing gets the go ahead.

the problem with that is safe standing could be years away or might not even happen. you don't need safe standing to create a home end as people would naturally end up standing anyway.

 

[NickyWeaverTheMagician]

Absolutely serious.......but I see your train of thought .......no way could a group of 25 decent, enthusiastic want to sing local choir benefit our singing section as a catalyst to get things going , whilst benefiting local community group . How utterly ridiculous of Me .

A choir to help a singing section absurd..............like you said lets just leave it at that and keep complaining " no one sings"

We would be laughed at by every club up and down the country. Europe as well tbf. When they all stopped eventually I would still be laughing.

''Right lads lets start it off with Blue moon. If you turn to the second page of your song sheet you can see super city is planned on 10 minutes.''

 

[Deleted member 77198]

this would be my solution if possible. this is schalkes ground. id merge the first tier and second tier of the family stand and create a bigger home end. move the family stand into a second tier above this and offer cheaper tickets to them. we'd have a bigger home end and the kids would be near the atmosphere. if we build a third tier and do exactly what we did in the south stand it would be a waste in my opinion and wed have the exact same problems we have now, with a stand broken up again.

moving the singing area into ss3 wont happen. the main reason for that is that i don't think they would allow standing in ss3. do something like the picture above. give the 1894 group the middle block and get them near the front instead of at the back now, where you can't hear them. allow megaphones, flags.... id keep level one of the south stand as it is - then wed have two ends almost behind each goal.

right now though the best thing we can do is actually sing. all the people stood in silence in the south stand need to actually sing and get behind the team. if your in a singing section it should almost be a duty in my opinion to sing. ( not just look at the away fans.) also the idea we need away fans to sing is a myth as its made no difference at all in our ground for years now.

Absolutely spot on.

Level 1 at the Etihad is too small! We need a larger/deeper stand

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Here you go everyone... stop whinging and complaining and actually do something about the atmosphere (if you want it to improve).

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/1894-singing-section-vs-fc-basel.332472/

You're missing the point!

It's not about getting in block 115 for the Basel game and making a racket, that's easy. You could pluck any 50 blokes out of the pub to do that. It's about 115 being far too small and in completely the wrong place.

We need a stand, not a block, that is as far away from the away fans as possible so that the farce of cup games is never seen at the Etihad again. Because we need far more than 50 blokes out of the pub to compete with 7000 away fans and they need to be well away from them.

 

[Silvas' left eyebrow]

We would be laughed at by every club up and down the country. Europe as well tbf. When they all stopped eventually I would still be laughing.

''Right lads lets start it off with Blue moon. If you turn to the second page of your song sheet you can see super city is planned on 10 minutes.''

Ho well no one sings, atmospheres crap ......25 lads and lasses who love singing ( I am sure they could manage city, city , ...we're just a crap man Utd etc. ) wouldn't help.....




Here's one for ya.......what do YOU suggest.....

 

[Manchester33]

You're missing the point!

It's not about getting in block 115 for the Basel game and making a racket, that's easy. You could pluck any 50 blokes out of the pub to do that. It's about 115 being far too small and in completely the wrong place.

We need a stand, not a block, that is as far away from the away fans as possible so that the farce of cup games is never seen at the Etihad again. Because we need far more than 50 blokes out of the pub to compete with 7000 away fans and they need to be well away from them.

I'm definitely not missing the point...

Missing the point is sitting on your hands waiting for things to happen.

We have to use what we've got - at the moment that's block 115. You only need around 50 people to get the whole stadium going (with the right mindset and tools at their disposal).

Until we can demonstrate that there are people who would relocate to a section seriously, why would the club give us a full stand?

You can blame acoustics, stands etc all you want, but the fact of the matter is that fans with the right mentality will create noise wherever they are.

 

[urban genie]

You couldn't pay me any amoumt to sing rag songs or any other clubs, so why would anyone not a blue want to, professional singer or not.

Also a chant has the passion of the singer behind it and the way they belt it out,when you do sing it's feom the heart, not something you turn on devoid of any soul

 

[Mcfc Si]

Absolutely spot on.

Level 1 at the Etihad is too small! We need a larger/deeper stand

Love the idea of a bigger 1st tier being built in the north stand (especially if it was all rail seating/safe standing). We must be the only team in the world that gives up its main end for cup games the way we do. If there really is no way we can challenge the coppers insistence that away fans must be in the south stand then I think shifting the main singing end to the North stand makes good sense.

Also, if there was a new singing area how about the club not selling any cheap kids season tickets for it. One of the problems we have with the atmosphere since moving to M11 is that we’ve got families absolutely everywhere. I take the kids myself but if you watch any match around the world the main singing stands are always predominantly made up of 18 - 40 year olds.

Is there any word on the North stand getting redeveloped does anyone know?? Can’t help thinking that the empty seat jibes off those sad red tw*ts have got to the clubs hierarchy. With a bigger capacity we might not sell out every game but as City fans have shown many times over the years, drop the prices enough for the less attractive games and we won’t be far off (funnily enough, other clubs fans or the media never seem to worry when Barca, AC Milan, Juventus etc having half empty stadiums for some games.

I suppose all the tourists with no real passion for the club are here to stay but that doesn’t really bother me as long as we get to have a ‘proper end’ that is the soul and heartbeat of the club

 

[blingy]

You don't need 1000's of 'mythical singers'? 500-1000 are enough.

Palace have abut 50-100 Ultras, but they get the rest of the stand going and the stadium.

The on-going issue is people have already bought their season tickets and have their seats, and it's impossible to get a large enough group of singers together in 1 section/block in the stadium now. Clearly the 115 relocation hasn't worked. Perhaps lessons can be learnt from that? Even in the CL games, where seats are available, there are only small rows of seats available at the bottom of 115. All the other available seats are singles or doubles dotted around 115 and further away from the away fans in the SS lower tier.

The club need to find a way of creating and keeping a new family stand/section, and a creating a new and proper singing section. That can only be done if the NS is expanded.

Sorry if I seem dumb but feel like I’m missing something ..
Ok you take the 500 singers out of the south and corner (that’s if they want to go) put them in a developed north stand ,relocating the family’s to wherever , I don’t see where this wall of song is coming from ... are not the 500 singers already together in a singing / standing section in the south , I just can’t see what diftence moving them to the north would make, and where exactly are you putting the thousands from the family stand , and it is thousands , not just a few blocks.
As a long time Kippax and north stand resident at Maine Rd and 5 years south stand level 2, 3 seats away from the away fans at etihad for the 1 st 4 years befoure I moved to family with my lad, I understand a good atmosphere and enjoy a good shout myself , even th are days when it dose come round to us, but just don’t see how moving the same people out of the south to the north will change anything , and truth be told I’m only commenting as I’m sick of reading qouiteslike fuck the family stand etc etc

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Absolutely spot on.

Level 1 at the Etihad is too small! We need a larger/deeper stand

someone made a good point on another thread. when we sang blue moon the other night in the second half, it was really loud. the whole stand was in unison and everyone pretty much in the stand was singing. having no away fans, that divide our fans makes a huge difference and having a bigger level 1 section would help massively. having more numbers alone helps.

 

[cleavers]

moving the singing area into ss3 wont happen. the main reason for that is that i don't think they would allow standing in ss3.

You don't need to stand to sing, but people do stand in 314 and 315, problem is there won't be many spaces available as most of us like the view, and many do sing anyway. We cant hear the lowest section in there anyway.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

You don't need to stand to sing, but people do stand in 314 and 315, problem is there won't be many spaces available as most of us like the view, and many do sing anyway. We cant hear the lowest section in there anyway.

you are right you don't need to stand. however i think they go together. if you want a proper home end or a singing bit in ss3 i think it would be miles better standing. if it was sat down now, it would just be the same as now imo. on the other bit i agree it would be almost impossible to implement. id say it was acoustics, but i think its more just not enough people singing. i remember against teams like aris and poznan, I was in east stand level 3 for aris ( from what i remember) and i could hear word for word what they were singing.

it needs to be in the family stand first tier, with no away fans at all. move the family stand st holder who want to move into an expanded second tier or third tier and offer them cheaper tickets.

 

[nellyonthewing]

Its like going to a concert ,you stand you sing..If you sit you mime..

 

[cleavers]

it needs to be in the family stand first tier, with no away fans at all.

But the first tier is firstly a shit view from my experiences, and secondly any noise generated dissipates because there is no roof to bounce it down. The best part of any stadium to create noise is under the roof, and anyone saying acoustics is not the issue is wrong.

If/when we extend the NS, this should be the focus, getting a few thousand people together, in level 3, under the roof, who will make noise, but it needs the club and fans on board together to do it.

There are thousands that sing even now, but they re dispersed across the stadium, and many are in areas where the acoustics are shite. In SS3 we genuinely cant hear the singing section in SS1, and SS2 is between both who don't seem to make much noise.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

But the first tier is firstly a shit view from my experiences, and secondly any noise generated dissipates because there is no roof to bounce it down. The best part of any stadium to create noise is under the roof, and anyone saying acoustics is not the issue is wrong.

If/when we extend the NS, this should be the focus, getting a few thousand people together, in level 3, under the roof, who will make noise, but it needs the club and fans on board together to do it.

There are thousands that sing even now, but they re dispersed across the stadium, and many are in areas where the acoustics are shite. In SS3 we genuinely cant hear the singing section in SS1, and SS2 is between both who don't seem to make much noise.

fair enough if you think its a shit view, but usually home ends or singing sections are close to the pitch. if everyone actually sang in the south stand the noise wouldn't just disappear imo. i didnt say acoustics weren't a factor, but if if more people sang i think it would help that. as i said poznan, aris, who were in the lower tiers, you could hear everything they sang fine. I don't think having a singing section high in the gods is the answer. it could work, but for me ss3 feels too far removed from the rest of the ground. we have fans in there now as well and it makes no difference.

If we create the exact same layout as the south stand in the north stand i think it would be a waste. you'd have the exact same problems as now - stands being broken up and not having a big enough singing section. if the the 1st and second tier in the south stand was one stand i think you'd be able to hear each other and more would join in. thats why imo the family stand is ideal. its not near away fans, close to the pitch. it would have to be a single tier or two tiers for it to work though. get all those dispersed singers in there.

even on numbers alone, just say the whole of ss3 was a singing section - its not big enough imo. the Kops what 14,000 and wed have maybe 5,000 ? in ss3.

 

[tommo74]

The atmosphere at Maine Road was incredible, most of that was because we were shit, fans now expect us to win games and comfortably, all that happens now is if we are not 1 up in 25 minutes is the crowd sing come on city come on city, etihad has been shit atmosphere from day 1, I personally don't think we will ever get that atmosphere back, but what do fans want? Great atmosphere shit team? Or an average at best atmosphere and a great team? He may be cu*t but Keane was right when you become successful you get the prawn brigade

 

[cleavers]

The atmosphere at Maine Road was incredible

Occasionally it was great (usually against united), but it certainly wasn't incredible 90% of the time.

The MR atmosphere is pretty much a myth, unless we were on a great season, and most often we weren't.

Also it was rarely anywhere near full, unlike now.

 

[Eccles Blue]

Its like going to a concert ,you stand you sing..If you sit you mime..

Not true, I sit but I SING I don’t mime! And neither do the people around me who are, at last, beginning to sing as well. Not all & definitely not as many as I would like but from little acorns mighty oaks do grow!!

 

[bluebrother55]

Occasionally it was great (usually against united), but it certainly wasn't incredible 90% of the time.

The MR atmosphere is pretty much a myth, unless we were on a great season, and most often we weren't.

Also it was rarely anywhere near full, unlike now.

A lot of the time we weren't in the top flight though, yet our home crowds were still bigger than half the premier league clubs. There were also many dark years to endure, seemingly endless at times.
If you go back to the 70's, that was the Maine Road decade for me, great football, great attendances, great atmosphere all round the ground, not just the Kippax, right through the decade.