SKYSCRAPER CALLED OFF - POLICE

[moomba]

1. It may be an issue that all clubs have to deal with, IMO ours arent dealing with it well.
2. My opinion, something that gives a first year supporter on the cup scheme priority over a 20 year season ticket holder who can't go on the scheme is wrong.
3. What is right with it? Cash for points.
4. Not what I was on about. I can earn more loyalty points from joining each scheme and platinum than I could for anyear of away games not that long ago. For me thats wrong.
5. Nothing but I don't want them particularly when it comes with annual price increases. My concerns are more about the way the move to hospitality is being managed.
6. Same as what is happening on L2.
7. Not sure what you're on about
8. Some people like cocktail parties, some like BBQ's. Slick, choreographed, forced entertainment isnt really what I look forward to at the football. I prefer more spontaneous, crowd led stuff. I don't mind City Square, but once I get in Id prefer the entertainment is left to the crowd.

I'll add in things like Viagog which IMO we should be able to talkmabout on here without being told to like it or walk away.

And out of 47,000, how many share your views?

Don't know.

 

[dobobobo]

1. It may be an issue that all clubs have to deal with, IMO ours arent dealing with it well.
2. My opinion, something that gives a first year supporter on the cup scheme priority over a 20 year season ticket holder who can't go on the scheme is wrong.
3. What is right with it? Cash for points.
4. Not what I was on about. I can earn more loyalty points from joining each scheme and platinum than I could for anyear of away games not that long ago. For me thats wrong.
5. Nothing but I don't want them particularly when it comes with annual price increases. My concerns are more about the way the move to hospitality is being managed.
6. Same as what is happening on L2.
7. Not sure what you're on about
8. Some people like cocktail parties, some like BBQ's. Slick, choreographed, forced entertainment isnt really what I look forward to at the football. I prefer more spontaneous, crowd led stuff. I don't mind City Square, but once I get in Id prefer the entertainment is left to the crowd.

I'll add in things like Viagog which IMO we should be able to talkmabout on here without being told to like it or walk away.

And out of 47,000, how many share your views?

Don't know.

Which is why I believe City when they indicate they endevour to accomodate all types of fans.

Edit: Whilst trying to run a sustainable football club.

 

[ped]

can someone from the "the lost soul" come on here and give me an example of when we did have soul,becouse ive been going for over 50 years ,and I cant for the life of me see any difference,,the people who run the club ,have to balance,a thousand different oppinions,with a need to run a sustainable club ,they cant please all the people all the time ,they get it wrong sometimes,just like past owners have,
for the guy who used the term "hate" honestly mate wtf,, by the way I agree prices in FOOTBALL are over the top,but "hate" from a city fan,
I despair

 

[dobobobo]

can someone from the "the lost soul" come on here and give me an example of when we did have soul,becouse ive been going for over 50 years ,and I cant for the life of me see any difference,,the people who run the club ,have to balance,a thousand different oppinions,with a need to run a sustainable club ,they cant please all the people all the time ,they get it wrong sometimes,just like past owners have,
for the guy who used the term "hate" honestly mate wtf,, by the way I agree prices in FOOTBALL are over the top,but "hate" from a city fan,
I despair

^^^^^ This!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Oh dear. Another one of your controversial for the sake of it posts. Or should that be "deliberately provocative". Playing to the cheap seats. You "hate" the club. Wow. That's proper bottom of the barrel stuff.

That's the way I genuinely feel. Perhaps "hate" is a bit strong but I simply don't like what the club is becoming. And the increasing number of empty seats say the same thing.

Yes I agree we've got very professional & seemingly competent executives running the place now and that's something I actively campaigned for when we had that douche-bag Mackintosh running the show.
Yes I accept that we're moving onwards and upwards and there's a price to be paid for that.

But I contrast them sitting looking at their 'revenue optimisation models', where they're prepared to accept a couple of thousand empty seats in order to maximise income, and compare that to Garry Cook, whose atttitude was "we have to fill the ground to help the team" and I can't help feeling we've lost something along the way. I'd like to think Garry Cook would not only have recognised the City fans in the stadium but, instead of shopping them, would have found a way to keep them there.

I'm not a religious man but the quote from Matthew 16:26 sums up my feeling: "And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?"

Don't agree with anything you've posted there. As I say - "deliberately provocative" probably best sums it up.

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards.

 

[cleavers]

TBF the discussion is predicated on a rumour and someone else has said it was the GMP who travelled with the club who shopped the supporters.

I take your point about how the effect of ticket prices alone is minimal on the overall balance sheet, however we're a business that has been haemorrhaging money for a few years now and the owners have no obligation to continue to do that. They do need to cut those losses because of FFP and this means by any means necessary. Within the context of that and the product on offer, it's saddening to see so many question whether the club is losing it's soul.

We have without question and without doubt the best owners in the Premier League by a country mile. They may not be perfect and they will make mistakes, however they are a capable and intelligent group of people who have done more than just pay lip service to understanding what the "soul" of City is.

I just feel like there are so many who seem so fucking miserable with City these days whereas I look at the football (which is what after all it's all about) and am just thankful.

I agree on the football, nobody really can argue otherwise, even given the odd blip like last nights second half, and its not that that is making folk wonder about some of the things going on, because we can't afford to lose our core support. I think PB's choice of word was wrong, but I can see some of his point.

I said when we were taken over that we would go this way, most people told me I was talking bollocks at the time, there were even suggestions that our new owner would let us in for free at one point, totally laughable.

Football at the top level (in England particularly) is pricey, and if we were to become part of the elite, then we would have to head towards the same model, but I stand by my opinion that we can still have both the best football, the best product for the price we have to pay, and keep our core passionate support, by not heading down the completely soulless (and it is) rag route, and demanding silly money from people who can't afford it.

I'm hoping (but with more optimism than I had a couple of years ago) that the stadium expansion will bring this about possibility, because we can significantly increase corporate revenue, and at the same time keep prices for the ordinary fan, relatively cheap, and that this squeeze was in fact caused by our lack of capacity to increase corportate, and by increasing capacity significantly, we can now have both.

The club needs both, without one, the other can't proceed for me, and hopefully those middle managers see this.

At the moment I'm "alright Jack", but many aren't, and the club need to consider those that aren't, or we will end up with a fan base of middle and upper income people, who turn up for the event, and not the club, we don't need to go down that route, as those numbers show.

The owner will get his investment back (assuming he wants it), by having a club at the very top of world football for a long time, with all the sponsorship revenue that will bring in, so there is no need to risk alienating the very people who kept this club going.

Oh and I'm definitely not in the miserable club ;o)

 

[CC1]

Going back to why PB posted what he did, and partly the subject of this thread, the fact that a couple of enterprising "passionate" blues managed to get into the stadium last night, and this threads subject about fans trying and sadly failing to rent an office to watch the game "live", but were shopped by people from our own club (in the case of the lads), I think he's right to say someone has lost sight of something.

99.9% of us would applaud the lads that managed to get in last night (and those that headed to Moscow knowing they wouldn't see the game), and instead of shopping them, the club should be telling the world that this is just how passionate our support really is, using it to market the club.

TBF the discussion is predicated on a rumour and someone else has said it was the GMP who travelled with the club who shopped the supporters.

I take your point about how the effect of ticket prices alone is minimal on the overall balance sheet, however we're a business that has been haemorrhaging money for a few years now and the owners have no obligation to continue to do that. They do need to cut those losses because of FFP and this means by any means necessary. Within the context of that and the product on offer, it's saddening to see so many question whether the club is losing it's soul.

We have without question and without doubt the best owners in the Premier League by a country mile. They may not be perfect and they will make mistakes, however they are a capable and intelligent group of people who have done more than just pay lip service to understanding what the "soul" of City is.

I just feel like there are so many who seem so fucking miserable with City these days whereas I look at the football (which is what after all it's all about) and am just thankful.

Points excellently made - you have expressed my sentiments perfectly

 

[CC1]

1. It may be an issue that all clubs have to deal with, IMO ours arent dealing with it well.
2. My opinion, something that gives a first year supporter on the cup scheme priority over a 20 year season ticket holder who can't go on the scheme is wrong.
3. What is right with it? Cash for points.
4. Not what I was on about. I can earn more loyalty points from joining each scheme and platinum than I could for anyear of away games not that long ago. For me thats wrong.
5. Nothing but I don't want them particularly when it comes with annual price increases. My concerns are more about the way the move to hospitality is being managed.
6. Same as what is happening on L2.
7. Not sure what you're on about
8. Some people like cocktail parties, some like BBQ's. Slick, choreographed, forced entertainment isnt really what I look forward to at the football. I prefer more spontaneous, crowd led stuff. I don't mind City Square, but once I get in Id prefer the entertainment is left to the crowd.

I'll add in things like Viagog which IMO we should be able to talkmabout on here without being told to like it or walk away.

And out of 47,000, how many share your views?

Not me anyway

 

[MCFCinUSA]

perhaps if it might clarify things:

- the club is the club, and who is to say what the club is with regards to 'soul' or whatever other hypothetical construct you attach to it & what that means to you, your friend, the players, the staff, the owners, Colin Shindler or to the man in the street (it will always be many things to many people) and you could argue until you're blue in the face about any of this, it's all completely arbitrary, just like an opinion;

- the supporters on the other hand (who you could argue are also 'the club' in one sense) are people, and there's no question that supporters like Alex who started this thread are like gold, as are those who tried to attend this match despite the adversities faced, without arguing the pros & cons & trickery employed, but kudos to all..

I'm proud to be a supporter of my club and to follow it (without trying to nail down exactly what the club is; it's a million things to a million people, some good, some not so good) and be meeting like-minded people when in pursuit of a common goal (pun sort of intended) is what it's all about and even on occasions like this is something to be celebrated.

 

[white dog poo]

perhaps if it might clarify things:

- the club is the club, and who is to say what the club is with regards to 'soul' or whatever other hypothetical construct you attach to it & what that means to you, your friend, the players, the staff, the owners, Colin Shindler or to the man in the street (it will always be many things to many people) and you could argue until you're blue in the face about any of this, it's all completely arbitrary, just like an opinion;

- the supporters on the other hand (who you could argue are also 'the club' in one sense) are people, and there's no question that supporters like Alex who started this thread are like gold, as are those who tried to attend this match despite the adversities faced, without arguing the pros & cons & trickery employed, but kudos to all..

I'm proud to be a supporter of my club and to follow it (without trying to nail down exactly what the club is; it's a million things to a million people, some good, some not so good) and be meeting like-minded people when in pursuit of a common goal (pun sort of intended) is what it's all about and even on occasions like this is something to be celebrated.

Excellent Post