Smoke bombs yet again

[johnmc]

Are stink bombs ok?

 

[Kenney_The_Blue]

Does it really matter if they are smoke bombs or flares, the point is that those who let the fans into the ground and check the bags are not doing their jobs properly and should be told that this has got to stop otherwise they will lose the contract for the security of the fans.

What happened to the Everton fans that let of their smoke bombs when they scored against us were any of them ever caught or punished. When they are caught they should get a 5yr ban from all stadiums in the UK.

3 smoke bombs went off, added to the atmosphere, looked decent and no one got injued.

5 year ban, fucking hell fire.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The most pointless shitty trend which has made it's way into football.

For what reason I will never know. Ok, when some Polish diddy club let them off en absolute masse, it's some sight to see.

When one bellend lets off a bit of smoke it looks complete crap, and lets face it does nothing for the atmosphere that wouldn't happen anyway.

Only for someone to take a photograph of it and said photograph to receive 60 billion retweets on twatter as if it's a sight to fucking behold.

When they first started to appear, last season or whatever, I didn't mind them so much. Now they're just completely boring and a bit sad.

 

[Eccles Blue]

strongbowholic:
In the halcyon days on the Kippax, we didn't need any of that. It was loud, proud, whitty and pure banter. It seems a lot of folks today have completely lost the capability to have a laugh on the terraces and seem to believe Green Street is real.


Just to show my ignorance or lack of street cred.............. what is Green Street? Obviously it can't be real but what is it please?

And I totally agree that we have always been loud, proud etc and we still are. We make a lot of noise singing our songs most of the time. IMHO

 

[The Chief]

Maybe our supporters enjoy body searches from butch blokes, because these will only start getting more thorough now on entry to stadiums.

 

[dawlish dave]

Does it really matter if they are smoke bombs or flares, the point is that those who let the fans into the ground and check the bags are not doing their jobs properly and should be told that this has got to stop otherwise they will lose the contract for the security of the fans.

What happened to the Everton fans that let of their smoke bombs when they scored against us were any of them ever caught or punished. When they are caught they should get a 5yr ban from all stadiums in the UK.

3 smoke bombs went off, added to the atmosphere, looked decent and no one got injued.

5 year ban, fucking hell fire.

If 1 flare or smoke bomb is let off then the home club will take 1k of your allocation next time they visit, 3 then 3k if the number let of is more than your allocation the reduction will be carried over to your next visit. Maybe if all clubs signed up to something along these lines it would go a long way to stopping the virus spreading in the away sections of grounds.

 

[Manchester33]

So what you're saying is that because the prats wont listen to our opinion, we shouldnt raise our concerns or have the opinion in the first place?

This is rediculous. Just reading this thread makes me furious.

No, by all means raise your concerns. Just raise them somewhere where it's going to make a difference.

I'm obviously not as bothered by them as other posters on here and there is nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't impose what I deem acceptable on other people, and I agree with you, it was out of order for that person to do that to the little girl who has as much right to be at the game as the idiot who threw it near her. But where are you gonna go from starting a thread on Bluemoon? Start asking for names of who it was then kick shit out of them at the next game? I just don't see the point.

I'm not trying to make you 'furious' by any means. But you are on a forum, people come on these things to give their own and read other peoples opinions, so if my opinion on smoke bombs and away football fans make you furious then don't read them!

And now you've contradicted yourself:

rather than trying to get everyone to say how sorry they feel about the situation on here.

If it's all about opinions, then those complaining have as much right to express it here as you have in yours?

For what it's worth, my opinion is that I cannot understand for the life of me why fans (of any club) feel the need for flares/smoke bombs etc and how it helps support your club? At most, if not all away games, the fans sing pretty much all through the game and cheer the lads on. In my opinion, the players hearing us sing lifts them and helps them put that extra couple of percent into the game. I imagine when they look at the away and see these things going off the probably think "for fuck's sake". Now whilst it wouldn't stop them putting in the effort, I feel sure it probably does nothing for them per se.

On another thread (think it might have been Levets, and Didsbury Dave has made a similar point previously too) the atmosphere is a spontaneous thing in relation to what is happening on the pitch It doesn't need to be "forced" by having a capo, a crappy singer warbling Blue Moon just before the teams come out, Hey Jude by the Beatles being piped through speakers to or smoke bombs or flares to get us going.

In the halcyon days on the Kippax, we didn't need any of that. It was loud, proud, whitty and pure banter. It seems a lot of folks today have completely lost the capability to have a laugh on the terraces and seem to believe Green Street is real.

Just my opinion.

To be honest, I just think there is a massive difference in views towards atmosphere at football between the older generation and the younger generation. We don't have as many match going fans who are in their mid 20's to mid 30's than other clubs for various reasons (Just my view) and I think anyone older than that got to see English football when it was the pride of Europe. English teams were something to be feared, with Liverpool/Forest/Villa winning the EC something daft like 7 out of 8 years! British fans were loyal, loud and respected, getting comfortably bigger gates than any other country in the world. Now the younger generation who never saw terracing or hooliganism, and who have only ever lived through the disenchanted world of Sky Sports, look at our European competition with these ultras groups and different approach to supporting their teams and are jealous and want something similar i.e. standing. But these leniencies aren't possible in a country with as much red tape in the works as England. Hence why you get some knob heads who go to the games looking for fights and you get other knob heads going to the games with smoke bombs to try and mimic European football fans in a kind of 'what ever you can do we can do better' way. They aren't organised here and you end up with people who don't want to be involved unwillingly getting involved, which is the issue here. And as I said earlier in the post we haven't had the integration from the older generation to the younger generation that some other clubs have had because we have missed out on a lot of 'would have been blues' around that age gap. Hence more contrasting views and a big split right down the middle on views towards this type of thing. 99% of people under the age of 25 would probably say they like smoke bombs... and then maybe 99% of people over 40 would say they hate them! But my point here is posting about it and having a conversation like we are having now won't change everyone's views and more importantly won't stop people bringing smoke bombs or other offensive material into the stadium. The only way to do that is getting the police/stewards to do their job right and actually search people! I'm less concerned about smoke bombs getting in the ground than other things....

 

[Gordyola]

This from a Hibs forum

A bit of smoke you say, I'm a chronic asthmatic - in and out of hospital, I spent the majority of a derby match, that some @rse let off a smoke bomb at, in the first aid room being attended to by paramedics and given oxygen. You might think they are fun and add to the game, but why should that be more important than my enjoyment of the game and my health?

Really added to the atmosphere for that fan Maybe not the definition of the word that some might use

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

I wonder how many people died...
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HLf6AyJqw74" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Lf6AyJqw74</a>

They're brilliant imo and add so much to the atmosphere.

 

[Anonymous]

strongbowholic:
In the halcyon days on the Kippax, we didn't need any of that. It was loud, proud, whitty and pure banter. It seems a lot of folks today have completely lost the capability to have a laugh on the terraces and seem to believe Green Street is real.


Just to show my ignorance or lack of street cred.............. what is Green Street? Obviously it can't be real but what is it please?

And I totally agree that we have always been loud, proud etc and we still are. We make a lot of noise singing our songs most of the time. IMHO

It's one of a number of films that "glorifies" football hooliganism - it's not even a decent film let alone accurate as to what it used to be like scrapping at football matches.