so this agenda thing.

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citykev28 said:
cibaman said:
George Hannah said:
Quite so. it's what's called an agenda and it's unfair and corrupt. You have to be either blind or stupid not understand that too.

I must be stupid (I'm not blind) because I don't understand why its unfair and corrupt for Sky to promote its service so as to maximise its
audience.

Because as a broadcaster, it is their job to report on the league as a whole and promote the entire league. It is not their job to select their favourites and promote the over the other 18 clubs. As a major financial backer of the league, it could be seen as corrupt if they spoke more highly and showed more games (therefore handed over more money) of their favourite clubs with the sole intention of assisting their own profits.
But surely that is what they have done from the off, and part of their intention

Otherwise why would they have originally bought shares in both the scum and Liverpool? And also employ all their ex acolytes as pundits?
 
squirtyflower said:
citykev28 said:
cibaman said:
I must be stupid (I'm not blind) because I don't understand why its unfair and corrupt for Sky to promote its service so as to maximise its
audience.

Because as a broadcaster, it is their job to report on the league as a whole and promote the entire league. It is not their job to select their favourites and promote the over the other 18 clubs. As a major financial backer of the league, it could be seen as corrupt if they spoke more highly and showed more games (therefore handed over more money) of their favourite clubs with the sole intention of assisting their own profits.
But surely that is what they have done from the off, and part of their intention

Otherwise why would they have originally bought shares in both the scum and Liverpool? And also employ all their ex acolytes as pundits?

I completely agree squirts. It's all as corrupt as fuck. It's only when your own team starts to challenge them regularly that you see how much they want the status quo to remain. The entire game is starting to fuck me right off to be honest.
 
citykev28 said:
squirtyflower said:
citykev28 said:
Because as a broadcaster, it is their job to report on the league as a whole and promote the entire league. It is not their job to select their favourites and promote the over the other 18 clubs. As a major financial backer of the league, it could be seen as corrupt if they spoke more highly and showed more games (therefore handed over more money) of their favourite clubs with the sole intention of assisting their own profits.
But surely that is what they have done from the off, and part of their intention

Otherwise why would they have originally bought shares in both the scum and Liverpool? And also employ all their ex acolytes as pundits?

I completely agree squirts. It's all as corrupt as fuck. It's only when your own team starts to challenge them regularly that you see how much they want the status quo to remain. The entire game is starting to fuck me right off to be honest.
There are many aspects of the game that 'stink to high heaven'
It amazes me that posters who would happily nail their colours to any socialist flag of freedom against capitalist corporations constantly jump to the defence of one of the largest media manipulators and corrupt organisations on the planet
Add to that the likes of the FA, UEFA and FIFA, all involved in billion dollar contracts, none of which are monitored, and yet they are happy to take them at face value!

Having spent a very short time in Qatar with an average temperature of 33C at night, been to an expensive, dull, under invested Russia I can only imagine they won the World Cup on merit

As an aside I got rid of Sky 12 months ago and never listen to talkshite, but the BBC bias does annoy
 
squirtyflower said:
citykev28 said:
squirtyflower said:
But surely that is what they have done from the off, and part of their intention

Otherwise why would they have originally bought shares in both the scum and Liverpool? And also employ all their ex acolytes as pundits?

I completely agree squirts. It's all as corrupt as fuck. It's only when your own team starts to challenge them regularly that you see how much they want the status quo to remain. The entire game is starting to fuck me right off to be honest.
There are many aspects of the game that 'stink to high heaven'
It amazes me that posters who would happily nail their colours to any socialist flag of freedom against capitalist corporations constantly jump to the defence of one of the largest media manipulators and corrupt organisations on the planet
Add to that the likes of the FA, UEFA and FIFA, all involved in billion dollar contracts, none of which are monitored, and yet they are happy to take them at face value!

Having spent a very short time in Qatar with an average temperature of 33C at night, been to an expensive, dull, under invested Russia I can only imagine they won the World Cup on merit

As an aside I got rid of Sky 12 months ago and never listen to talkshite, but the BBC bias does annoy

I started a thread on all this in the general forum a while back. The rows of seats left empty for Champion League advertising boards, the fact they have the audacity to tell us the draw is fixed for TV, loyalty points for sale, FFP, FIFA, Wembley and the trains fiasco and the rest.

Anyway, about this night on the beer and curry you've promised me in late September.........
 
cibaman said:
George Hannah said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
Just read something about pubs currently having to decide whether to renew their Sky subscription this season. It's £15k for the season but some pubs aren't taking it or renewing because they think it puts off the more lucrative restaurant trade if they're showing football.

Seems that pub licences are worth over £300m a year to Sky and the two biggest draws are the rags and Liverpool (and I suspect that applies to the domestic audience as well). So it's clearly in Sky's commercial interest to talk those two up and us down. Anyone who doesn't understand that is either blind or stupid.
Quite so. it's what's called an agenda and it's unfair and corrupt. You have to be either blind or stupid not understand that too.

I must be stupid (I'm not blind) because I don't understand why its unfair and corrupt for Sky to promote its service so as to maximise its
audience.

I don't think it is. Sky is a commercial venture and is entitled to structure the service it provides in any way it thinks fit that will maximise its profitability. That isn't unfair or corrupt, it is market forces capitalism at work. What Sky does - like every other company worth its salt - is devise a strategy which it believes will bring it the greatest commercial success. 20 odd years ago for instance the reason Sky put so much money into the English game was that the decision makers at Sky believed that there was a long term advantage to be gained by being the major platform for watching football in this country. They were right.

So it goes almost without saying that Sky has a plan for maximising its commercial success. The question is, what is that plan, and where (from our perspective) does Manchester City fit within it?

It seems to be obvious that giving Manchester City the sort of promotion and attention that is afforded to, in particular, Liverpool and Manchester United is plainly not part of that plan. It just beggars belief and defies all the available credible evidence so suggest that we get as fair a crack of the whip as they do. It seems equally obvious that giving large swathes of largely favourable attention to United and Liverpool s part of that plan, otherwise they wouldn't do it so much (an example being the concentration on the 'top 7' last season- I will return to this point below). So the question comes down to this: do they regard it as in their commercial interests actually to trash City, in other words to talk City down, or is it simply the case that they do not regard it as in their interests to talk us up as much as Liverpool and United: so we suffer, but simply by comparison?

Again, it seems to me self evident that they must have an editorial stance on this, I just don't know what it is. How does, for instance, Martin Tyler's commentary style fit within Sky's commercial strategy? Again, if (as is highly probable) there is a clearly defined strategy within Sky Sports as to how they present their programming based on maximising commercial impact, it beggars belief that Martin Tyler - their front line commentator - is not party to it. Why wouldn't he be?

There are many examples that have been discussed on this forum about sly digs, derogatory references, frequent observations about our shortcomings and fleeting references only to our quality (grudgingly and seldom given). These compare depressingly unfavourably with the way City's opposition is often discussed. But why? It this fair comment, or it is part of a deliberate strategy? I don't know, and I suggest no one else contributing to this debate who doesn't work for Sky Sports knows either.

There is a fair amount of evidence however that Martin Tyler (to pursue the same example) is given a 'party line' by senior executives to adopt in his broadcasting style. An example I mentioned above is last season's sudden emergence of a 'Top 7' the very year that the rags were - er - seventh. I cant remember the game but Tyler made a reference to 'the top 7 as we must now call it' in his commentary (my emphasis). It is not difficult to conclude that the emergence of the 'top 7' was a deliberate attempt to keep attention focussed on United as part of the apparent elite group of premier league teams when they were having their worst season in 30 odd years. Equally it is not difficult to conclude that Tyler was a recipient of the policy email (or similar) that instructed SS and SSN to start referring to the 'top 7'.

That said, there are undoubtedly times when, for good or ill from our perspective, his commentary is the product of nothing more than his experience and professionalism as a broadcaster. When we lost 1-0 to Sunderland a couple of years ago in the last second (to an offside goal) he virtually came in his pants. Frankly, you can see why: title contenders concede last-gasp winner to unfancied underdogs - it is the drama sport is made of, and is part of the reason the Premier League is such a commercial success. But so too is the Aguerooooooo! moment - one of the truly iconic sporting moments of the 21st century.

When Tyler gets more excited about a Liverpool corner than a City goal, I suspect something more is at work than simply reacting to the game. But whether that's because the party line is 'talk up Liverpool' or 'talk up Liverpool by talking down City' is a rather academic debate.
 
citykev28 said:
squirtyflower said:
citykev28 said:
I completely agree squirts. It's all as corrupt as fuck. It's only when your own team starts to challenge them regularly that you see how much they want the status quo to remain. The entire game is starting to fuck me right off to be honest.
There are many aspects of the game that 'stink to high heaven'
It amazes me that posters who would happily nail their colours to any socialist flag of freedom against capitalist corporations constantly jump to the defence of one of the largest media manipulators and corrupt organisations on the planet
Add to that the likes of the FA, UEFA and FIFA, all involved in billion dollar contracts, none of which are monitored, and yet they are happy to take them at face value!

Having spent a very short time in Qatar with an average temperature of 33C at night, been to an expensive, dull, under invested Russia I can only imagine they won the World Cup on merit

As an aside I got rid of Sky 12 months ago and never listen to talkshite, but the BBC bias does annoy

I started a thread on all this in the general forum a while back. The rows of seats left empty for Champion League advertising boards, the fact they have the audacity to tell us the draw is fixed for TV, loyalty points for sale, FFP, FIFA, Wembley and the trains fiasco and the rest.

Anyway, about this night on the beer and curry you've promised me in late September.........
No problem mate, although I thought you had promised me?

We did it back in March and intend for a big meet up this time in September
 
Sky bias towards United and Liverpool are for the same reason they bias towards football as a whole over other sports.

They give the people what they want. And unfortunately we are not it.
 
Martyn said:
Sky bias towards United and Liverpool are for the same reason they bias towards football as a whole over other sports.
They give the people what they want. And unfortunately we are not it.
The media feed appetites largely of their own creation and those appetites require those with different tastes to be poisoned. All wholesome stuff.
 
Local news illustrates the way that the same event can be perceived from very different viewpoints.
Presumably this is edited to maximise local circulation.

When City play Liverpool both local papers (MEN and Liverpool Echo) report the game totally differently yet both papers are owned by the same people.
They could easily save reporting money by having common fair editorial but choose to produce two radically different versions of exactly the same game.

The same can be said regarding just the MEN after any local derby. Both viewpoints are unfortunately necessary to maximise circulation.

Unfortunately the media believes that the majority of us are not able to accept a balanced report on the same event so what chance getting a balanced version of pre season build up ?
 
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