so this agenda thing.

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

But some of you are failing to understand that appealing against the ban actually worked against Barcelona in the long run.

If they hadn't gone ahead to appeal the ban, they would have been able to buy players again in June 2015.

But because they've let the appeal run over this window, they now won't be able to buy players at all until January 2016.

This is it for them for almost two years. I think that works against them. It also worked well for us because by signing Vermaelen and Suarez they've weakened our rivals.

 

[SilverFox2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28866189

how does this sits with the agenderists?

surely they wouldn't ban one of their own

i thought things like this only happen to inner commers

Nice that they were given pre warning so they could do this and next years transfer business upfront - what a joke. Perhaps they could get around to paying some tax in 2015 whilst they are not distracted by transfer business.

Local tax 'arrangements' sometimes work in your favour like Barca or against you like PSG.

 

[tonea2003]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28866189

how does this sits with the agenderists?

surely they wouldn't ban one of their own

i thought things like this only happen to inner commers

Nice that they were given pre warning so they could do this and next years transfer business upfront - what a joke. Perhaps they could get around to paying some tax in 2015 whilst they are not distracted by transfer business.

Local tax 'arrangements' sometimes work in your favour like Barca or against you like PSG.

but the point is they were charged and found guilty.
it could of been swept under the carpet but it wasn't, they now have a ban till jan 2016

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Nice that they were given pre warning so they could do this and next years transfer business upfront - what a joke. Perhaps they could get around to paying some tax in 2015 whilst they are not distracted by transfer business.

Local tax 'arrangements' sometimes work in your favour like Barca or against you like PSG.

but the point is they were charged and found guilty.
it could of been swept under the carpet but it wasn't, they now have a ban till jan 2016

I don't think Barcelona will just 'take a pinch' and leave it, they will appeal again and in the meantime keep on signing players. Meanwhile has it been agreed that there is either an agenda, a bias or both against City

 

[tonea2003]

Local tax 'arrangements' sometimes work in your favour like Barca or against you like PSG.

but the point is they were charged and found guilty.
it could of been swept under the carpet but it wasn't, they now have a ban till jan 2016

I don't think Barcelona will just 'take a pinch' and leave it, they will appeal again and in the meantime keep on signing players. Meanwhile has it been agreed that there is either an agenda, a bias or both against City

they won't, but that's not the point
one of the "golden" clubs have been investigated and found guilty of wrongdoing's and banned from buying players
a big elephant in agenderists ointment

 

[CelesteItis]

Barça were caught red handed by FIFA and, consequently, they are fined and banned.

MCFC disrupted the cozy cartel set up by UEFA and, consequently, an agenda (under the FFP name) was put in place but said cartel to stop City.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Local tax 'arrangements' sometimes work in your favour like Barca or against you like PSG.

but the point is they were charged and found guilty.
it could of been swept under the carpet but it wasn't, they now have a ban till jan 2016

I don't think Barcelona will just 'take a pinch' and leave it, they will appeal again and in the meantime keep on signing players. Meanwhile has it been agreed that there is either an agenda, a bias or both against City

They will appeal out of self interest and because contrary to the guff about football morality and playing the right way, the "Més que un club" mantra is only a reflection of the arrogance, pomposity, delusions of superiority and importance. The tale how they picked up Lionel Messi is a fairytale of the impoverished pauper with a talent rescued by the order, trained in the craft and given a platform for his talents. Where as in reality in was just like any other club picking up "a young talent", the minor growth hormone issue was a benefit because it provided them with a way around the regulations they have now breached. I think it is fair to say that they broke these regulations multiple times because at some point they decided the rules didn't apply to them.

I don't see a benefit of signing players from just appealing the ban though, they are still allowed to sign players until the current window closes as the ban doesn't take effect until January. The Court of Arbitration for Sport will treat this as one of the most important issues in its case file, and I would expect that they would be able to reach a ruling before the start of the next transfer window in January. There might be a benefit of appealing it if you win, but there aren't any benefits just from the act of appealing in in itself. If CAS takes longer than 4 months of course that will happen, but it isn't really fulfilling its purpose properly if it does do that.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

but the point is they were charged and found guilty.
it could of been swept under the carpet but it wasn't, they now have a ban till jan 2016

I don't think Barcelona will just 'take a pinch' and leave it, they will appeal again and in the meantime keep on signing players. Meanwhile has it been agreed that there is either an agenda, a bias or both against City

they won't, but that's not the point
one of the "golden" clubs have been investigated and found guilty of wrongdoing's and banned from buying players
a big elephant in agenderists ointment

The Agenda, is deliberately wide concept that hasn't been defined by the agenda conspiracy nuts. It covers media bias, institutional bias and corruption inside football governing bodies and federations, to referee decisions, and to the match fixture calender (which in actual fact is allocated by a computer, or so we are told).

However I think you are conflating issues at FIFA and issues at UEFA- the ban was imposed by FIFA and the regulations broken were FIFA regulations not anything to with UEFA. UEFA are obviously responsible for FFPR, which is a cynical move to protect the established football elite from being outpaced and outpaced by the nouveau riche. The ban on signing under 18s from abroad actually hinders UEFA and the big clubs interests- Europe is the place to as far as football is concerned and the superior cash resources of European clubs (and obviously the big clubs will have "first pick", by virtue of the standing and riches) will attract young talented players from Africa, South America and anywhere else in the world. Brazil already produces young players like a factory production line and then ships them off much too young, even when they are 18, then you have to consider cases like the Da Silva twins, who were signed up prior to being eligible to play for Man Utd.

The are too may competing interests among world football federations and football governing bodies for the to be one global conspiracy or whatever George "Formerly John" might call it. FIFA is not totally dominated by UEFA, and European interests- of course they are prominent and have more sway than for example, African football interests, but everything doesn't revolve around football in "the old world". If you were to look at cliques within FIFA I would expect them to be more complicated than simply arranged into regional collectives, indeed I was reading World Soccer Magazine and there was talk of a Spanish Language clique, with Spain joining South America nations. Where as Spanish club interests obviously run counter to SA club interests because one nation's clubs wants to hoover up young talent from the others' domestic leagues.

 

[squirtyflower]

More piss poor journalism or just tardiness

thought i'd go on the BBC sport page to look at the scores and this is what you see

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/28870676

why are last season's CL groups and results still there for this season, and guess who is top of the first group you see?

 

[cibaman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28866189

how does this sits with the agenderists?

surely they wouldn't ban one of their own

i thought things like this only happen to inner commers

Nice that they were given pre warning so they could do this and next years transfer business upfront - what a joke. Perhaps they could get around to paying some tax in 2015 whilst they are not distracted by transfer business.

Matty illustrated this well on the Barca thread

"You're banned from signing players"

"Ok, we appeal"

"Fine, we'll hear your appeal, and in the meantime feel free to sign whoever you want"

"Ok, we'll spend £130m signing the following:-
Claudio Bravo (goalkeeper)
Marc-Andre ter Stegen (goalkeeper)
Jeremy Mathieu (defender)
Thomas Vermaelen (defender)
Ivan Rakitic (midfielder)
Luis Suarez (striker)"

"Fine, you've just lost your appeal, can't sign anyone until January 2016"

"Oh damn, how will we cope, we were in real need of goalkeepers, defenders, a striker and an attacking midfielder!"

That's the problem of buying in bulk, there are usually a few duds. As we found out a few years ago and Spurs last year.

At least 3 of Barca's signings will flop. And then they'll have the dilemma as to whether they should get rid when they cant be replaced or keep them when they don't want them.

Suarez will be able to chomp to his hearts content and they wont be able to replace him.

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

More piss poor journalism or just tardiness

thought i'd go on the BBC sport page to look at the scores and this is what you see

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/28870676

why are last season's CL groups and results still there for this season, and guess who is top of the first group you see?

Because they won Group A. That's how it tends to work.

 

[Cellarite]

But some of you are failing to understand that appealing against the ban actually worked against Barcelona in the long run.

If they hadn't gone ahead to appeal the ban, they would have been able to buy players again in June 2015.

But because they've let the appeal run over this window, they now won't be able to buy players at all until January 2016.

This is it for them for almost two years. I think that works against them. It also worked well for us because by signing Vermaelen and Suarez they've weakened our rivals.

If I banned you from going to any shops selling food for 2 months, would you prefer for the ban to be immediate or to take effect in a month's time?

 

[squirtyflower]

More piss poor journalism or just tardiness

thought i'd go on the BBC sport page to look at the scores and this is what you see

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/28870676

why are last season's CL groups and results still there for this season, and guess who is top of the first group you see?

Because they won Group A. That's how it tends to work.

instead of trolling my posts why don't you actually take a look at the dates

the page is for tonight's games

that's this season (just to make it a little easier), yes this season, the season 2014/15, the one that has just started, the one that started in the CL at the beginning of July

Therefore there are no groups for this season yet, yes this season, the season 2014/15, the one that has just started, the one that started in the CL at the beginning of July

so why would they have last season's tables, yes last season, the season 1013/14, the one that finished with a good final back at the end of May?

You see, the way it 'tends to work' is that the fixtures for this season, usually go with this season's table
novel isn't it

(PS, i must apologise, maybe you don't understand the word 'tardiness', or perhaps Contrary Bob is being contrary again, yawn)

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

More piss poor journalism or just tardiness

thought i'd go on the BBC sport page to look at the scores and this is what you see

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/28870676

why are last season's CL groups and results still there for this season, and guess who is top of the first group you see?

Because they won Group A. That's how it tends to work.

so why would they have last season's tables, yes last season, the season 1013/14, the one that finished with a good final back at the end of May?

You see, the way it 'tends to work' is that the fixtures for this season, usually go with this season's table
novel isn't it

Because this season's tables haven't even been drawn yet and there's nothing else to fill the space on that part of the website?

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

But some of you are failing to understand that appealing against the ban actually worked against Barcelona in the long run.

If they hadn't gone ahead to appeal the ban, they would have been able to buy players again in June 2015.

But because they've let the appeal run over this window, they now won't be able to buy players at all until January 2016.

This is it for them for almost two years. I think that works against them. It also worked well for us because by signing Vermaelen and Suarez they've weakened our rivals.

If I banned you from going to any shops selling food for 2 months, would you prefer for the ban to be immediate or to take effect in a month's time?

That analogy doesn't really work, does it? Barcelona won't die without players.

 

[citizen_maine]

More piss poor journalism or just tardiness

thought i'd go on the BBC sport page to look at the scores and this is what you see

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/28870676

why are last season's CL groups and results still there for this season, and guess who is top of the first group you see?

Maybe because last seasons tables are the most recent available given that the groups haven't been drawn yet for this season?

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

More piss poor journalism or just tardiness

thought i'd go on the BBC sport page to look at the scores and this is what you see

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/28870676

why are last season's CL groups and results still there for this season, and guess who is top of the first group you see?

Maybe because last seasons tables are the most recent available given that the groups haven't been drawn yet for this season?

Shh! Only "Contrary Bob" thinks like this! Don't let them know!

 

[Cellarite]

But some of you are failing to understand that appealing against the ban actually worked against Barcelona in the long run.

If they hadn't gone ahead to appeal the ban, they would have been able to buy players again in June 2015.

But because they've let the appeal run over this window, they now won't be able to buy players at all until January 2016.

This is it for them for almost two years. I think that works against them. It also worked well for us because by signing Vermaelen and Suarez they've weakened our rivals.

If I banned you from going to any shops selling food for 2 months, would you prefer for the ban to be immediate or to take effect in a month's time?

That analogy doesn't really work, does it? Barcelona won't die without players.

But I'm sure anyone banned from buying anything for a period of time would much prefer to have a chance to prepare. Can you not see that?

 

[Skashion]

 

[Bill]

Barça were caught red handed by FIFA and, consequently, they are fined and banned.

MCFC disrupted the cozy cartel set up by UEFA and, consequently, an agenda (under the FFP name) was put in place but said cartel to stop City.

correct. plain as day.