Social conservatism

urban genie said:
Being polite to women and showing them respect is just good manners and should be equally done to men and women and anyone else of whatever gender they wish to be.

Thinking women are more fragile and need protecting is just wrong and I would say insulting.

I agree with you, I have close female friend who call me every name under the sun and equally I will tell them to fuck off and insult them when they piss me off, thqt doesn't mean I go around doing it to strangers, as that would be impolite.

Also I don't presume a woman needs my help, but will offer it to be good mannered and I suppose a gentleman, if they tell me no, then I will repsect them not look dowm on them.

Having good manner isn't a product of a conservative nature either.
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I never said it was a product of conservatism, it was a general comment in reply to something another poster said, although some of the views by more left wing posters on here is concerning to say the least.

Women are more intimidated of men, generally, than the other way around, especially when alone and when it’s dark, so we should bear that in mind.

Treating women differently is to their benefit and as Phil has rightly pointed out, I wouldn’t hit a woman even if she deserved it and I would be less willing to let a female friend walk home from the pub alone, than I would a male.

I would say stuff to my male friends than I wouldn’t female and I would always offer to carry something for a female, I am not about to carry my mates cricket bag for him.

As I’ve said, it’s just small things really.

It doesn’t mean I’m purposefully rude or obnoxious to men and it doesn’t mean I don’t care about how men are too.
 
pirate said:
you specifically said you treat women better.
therefore you treat men worse than you treat women, purely based on the Thats whats wrong.

i guarantee that you are the one that started being aggressive with me not the other way around, or is DO ONE a friendly phrase in your neck of the woods
i can also guarantee that you wouldnt say do one to me in real life, but you knew that anyway didnt you keyboard warrior big snogs and kisses
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There’s a level you should treat everyone with, a minimum if you will, of kindness, compassion and with respect.

Everybody gets this when I meet them but there’s additional smaller things, such as carrying a bag or suitcase, not swearing in front of them unless I know they’re comfortable with it (in fact I don’t swear in front of men I don’t know right away either), I wouldn’t retaliate with violence, I wouldn’t let them walk home on their own at night etc. That I would offer to women.

A bloke doesn’t need walking home, not unless he’s elderly. There’s no point me carrying my mate’s suitcase, who’s the same size as me and if a bloke was attacking me, I’ll defend myself with violence as he’s more of a threat.

Men and women generally have different interests and different emotional responses, that’s not to say women are fragile and constantly need a white knight, but it’s something to bear in mind when you’re responding to someone.

Pretending men and women are exactly the same in all areas and should be treated the same in every situation, is ridiculous and does harm to women.

The respect I treat them with also includes ensuring they’re not shouted over by blokes if there’s a meeting with 8 blokes and 1 woman, I’ll make sure she gets a word in, if she’s struggling to.

I genuinely feel bad for women who have to live with a man who doesn’t treat her to a higher standard than himself. My Mrs has been told she doesn’t have to work if she doesn’t want and she never carries anything.
 
Ban-jani said:
I never said it was a product of conservatism, it was a general comment in reply to something another poster said, although some of the views by more left wing posters on here is concerning to say the least.

Women are more intimidated of men, generally, than the other way around, especially when alone and when it’s dark, so we should bear that in mind.

Treating women differently is to their benefit and as Phil has rightly pointed out, I wouldn’t hit a woman even if she deserved it and I would be less willing to let a female friend walk home from the pub alone, than I would a male.

I would say stuff to my male friends than I wouldn’t female and I would always offer to carry something for a female, I am not about to carry my mates cricket bag for him.

As I’ve said, it’s just small things really.

It doesn’t mean I’m purposefully rude or obnoxious to men and it doesn’t mean I don’t care about how men are too.
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I don't really care what you do with your friends tbh, each to their own.

I have already said in a reply that that it is good manner to speak respectfully in front of anyone and also your parents, irrespective of their gender, but if the person is happy with a more slcasual tonw of conversation that isn't bad manners but kinship and mutual respect for each other.

And your view of women is ridiculous.

My whole working team is women and none of them are intimidated by men, in fact I don't know many who are.

I have known women who could outstrip their male counterparts greatly but the attitude you are exhibiting is still too prevelent in society that they don't, women are not weaker or in need of protecting in geneal.

You do get many women who are right bastards and you get men who are right bastards.
You also get women and men who are abused and mistreared by these bastards, these need protecting and any society is duty bound to.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I'd speak to my female mates in the same language I'd speak to my male mates. The only way in which it might be different is that there's the possibility with female mates that things could be interpreted sexually, so I'd probably be aware of that. Mate's wives and girlfriends are different, because you're not really friends with them, you're only friends by proxy, so you're obviously not going to speak to them in the same way. I wouldn't call my mate's wife a prick in the same way that I wouldn't call my colleague a prick. It's a different type of relationship. But it's not because she's a woman. Obviously everyone interacts with the opposite sex slightly differently to their own, but not everybody make a virtue out of it.
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I wasn’t making a virtue of it, I merely wrote one line suggesting I do treat the opposite sex differently and as per usual, Bluemoonski’s socialist society (that’s a joke btw) started engaging in faux outrage and made several sweeping accusations.

All I have done is back up what I meant.

Anyway, I understand what you mean. I have a friend who’s an ex colleague who’s a lesbian, really is one of the lads and loves football. I say stuff to her that I wouldn’t other women I know but I still wouldn’t call her a “****”. I don’t know why I just wouldn’t.

But we are talking generally here.
 
urban genie said:
I don't really care what you do with your friends tbh, each to their own.

I have already said in a reply that that it is good manner to speak respectfully in front of anyone and also your parents, irrespective of their gender, but if the person is happy with a more slcasual tonw of conversation that isn't bad manners but kinship and mutual respect for each other.

And your view of women is ridiculous.

My whole working team is women and none of them are intimidated by men, in fact I don't know many who are.

I have known women who could outstrip their male counterparts greatly but the attitude you are exhibiting is still too prevelent in society that they don't, women are not weaker or in need of protecting in geneal.

You do get many women who are right bastards and you get men who are right bastards.
You also get women and men who are abused and mistreared by these bastards, these need protecting and any society is duty bound to.
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You’re actually misinterpreting what I’ve said. I think there’s a handful of you who make it your mission to try and twist what I say out of some dislike, it’s odd.

My point about intimidation was in a physical sense, I said “especially if it’s dark and they’re alone”.

I didn’t mean in a fucking meeting in an office.

Our female CEO and our ex female CEO would have me for breakfast in a meeting but they’d likely feel more intimidated than I would walking home at night.

These are the subtle differences I’m talking about.

To put that into context, I usually cross the road and not walk directly behind a woman if it’s late and I’m on my way home from the pub, I wouldn’t necessarily do this for a bloke.
 
Ban-jani said:
There’s a level you should treat everyone with, a minimum if you will, of kindness, compassion and with respect.

Everybody gets this when I meet them but there’s additional smaller things, such as carrying a bag or suitcase, not swearing in front of them unless I know they’re comfortable with it (in fact I don’t swear in front of men I don’t know right away either), I wouldn’t retaliate with violence, I wouldn’t let them walk home on their own at night etc. That I would offer to women.

A bloke doesn’t need walking home, not unless he’s elderly. There’s no point me carrying my mate’s suitcase, who’s the same size as me and if a bloke was attacking me, I’ll defend myself with violence as he’s more of a threat.

Men and women generally have different interests and different emotional responses, that’s not to say women are fragile and constantly need a white knight, but it’s something to bear in mind when you’re responding to someone.

Pretending men and women are exactly the same in all areas and should be treated the same in every situation, is ridiculous and does harm to women.

The respect I treat them with also includes ensuring they’re not shouted over by blokes if there’s a meeting with 8 blokes and 1 woman, I’ll make sure she gets a word in, if she’s struggling to.

I genuinely feel bad for women who have to live with a man who doesn’t treat her to a higher standard than himself. My Mrs has been told she doesn’t have to work if she doesn’t want and she never carries anything.
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i dont really know what to say to this.
your own words highlight why you are wrong
i will take a few examples for you.
Walking a woman home, i too would do this if i thought they were in any way vulnerable, but unlike you i would also do this with my male friends if i thought they were vulnerable. You are assuming the women are vulnerable because they are women.
Carrying a bag. Again I too would carry a bag for a woman if i was stronger and they were struggling, but unlike you i would also do this for a male friend if i was stronger and they were struggling
I try to include everyone in a conversation regardless of being a man or a womnen
 
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